SHOT SHOW 2010 - Lewis Maching and Tools - 308 rifle system

[Questar]

Mark, for every US dollar in Canada, you will exchange it for $.85-$.86 CAD.

Sounds like a great deal :dancingbanana:

[mebiuspower]

No forward assist? Someone will B&C about that...

[Questar]

No forward assist? Someone will B&C about that...

Correct... there's no forward assist.

http://www.lewismachine.net/images/product/large/LM308MWSE_large.jpg

NOTE: The red and white fire select marking colour fill is done for photographic purposes only and does not come with the rifle as shipped by LMT.

Mark

[Lazerus2000]

The ORIGINAL AR 10 rifles, Sudanese and Portuguese variants, as built by AI, did NOT have a forward assist. The updated Port model DID have an FN FAL type adjustable gas regulator ...
which you didn't really need any way, but it was a thoughtful addition

After several thousand rounds through a few dozen examples of the ORIGINAL AR 10 rifles, with just about ZERO malfunctions, with a wide range of ammo including Remington .223 Accelerators, and my light reloads with 125 gr bullets at 7.62X39 velocities, I can state that IMHO, the ORIGINAL AR 10 design did not require a forward assist. That BIG HEAVY buffer and THICK recoil spring, and MASSIVE bolt, all did the job of whacking the 7.62 NATO cases into the chamber quite enthusiastically.
No manual intervention required.

However, all of the MODERN / HYBRID AR 10 designs seem to use as many AR 15 parts as they can. These AR 15 parts were scaled down when the AR 10 was redesigned from a full sized 7.62 NATO BATTLE Rifle into the notorious 5.56 Poodle shooter. While using these smaller AR 15 parts in an AR 10 makes sense from a manufacturing/cost effective perspective, some of those smaller AR 15 parts may compromise reliability and functionality when incorporated into the full sized AR 10.One has to wonder exactly where the designers compromised on these NEW AR 10 Hybrids.

I've been interested in these new Hybrid AR 10s for years now, but am holding out waiting for a NEW AR 10 that was as robust and reliable as the old ORIGINAL AR 10s ... and didn't cost more than my 4X4 van.

This new LMT AR 10 might be the one I've been waiting for.

Until then,
I'll pi$$ away my money with .300 Whisper, 6.8 SPC, etc in an AR 15 platform.
That way at least I can engage standard bred poodles instead of the tea cup poodles with a clear conscience.

PS: Do you ever wonder what would have happened if Stoner had showed LeMay an AR 10 in .243 Win, instead of an AR 15 in 5.56??

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some opinions may be more suspicious than others,
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[;{)
LAZ 1

[ESQ]

I assume that this takes SR25 mags?

[Questar]

The LMT .308 MWS is now on our website and we are taking advance orders now...

https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=1254&bc=no

Mark

[nestle]

I have to admit. That's an amazing rifle at a very reasonable price. How close is the basic rifle to the UK configuration?

[FPembleton]

I have to admit. That's an amazing rifle at a very reasonable price. How close is the basic rifle to the UK configuration?

According to LMT, everything is the same except for the barrel.


LMT displayed the 308 rifle which they had won the UK trial...

Civilian Version - identical, except for the barrel:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2682/4293718635_886c5fcec8_o.jpg

[carbonrod]

What changed on the barrel? An AR is barrel + parts case + HMI.

[Questar]

As I recall from our discussions the UK "contract" rifle was specifically requested with flip-up sights (I forget who's brand they used) and the civilian gun comes with LMT's Tactical Removable Sights (not flip-up).

The other difference was the barrel... Military version is Stainless Steel and the Civilian version is Chrome Lined barrel. We were told that Stainless barrels would be offered later as optional purchases, along with 18" length though from what I heard the 16" shoots VERY well. Don't expect the barrel options being available for some time (probably end of 2010 if I had to guess).

The good part is that the MRP system allows barrel changes in seconds.

Mark

[FPembleton]

What changed on the barrel? An AR is barrel + parts case + HMI.

You guys need to read the OP before posting questions that have already been answered


The UK rifle spots a 16" SS barrel with a guaranteed accuracy of 1.5 MOA out to 800m, with 155gr Scenar match. The civilian version will initially come with a 16" chromlined barrel - and later with a 18" version. The bolt carrier will be chromelined. The rifle uses SR25 magazine system. Like the MRP, the barrel is interchangeable.

[nestle]

I understand the British ordered the 16" SS barrel but want it phosphated.

[Dick Proenneke]

I just ordered mine from Questar. I hope Mark is accurate with his May prediction for in stock in Canada.

[ESQ]

I'll wait for the SS barrels unless there is a precision guarantee on the chrome lined barrel.

I only want this as a tack driver as .308 is too pricey for a high volume shooter.

[tacfoley]

We were told the MSRP is about 2200 USD ( based on my memory), we will confirm it once we retrieve our notes from luggage.

Uh, IF I could have one I'd pay $5000 without twitching a hair.

tac

[tacfoley]

figures the brits would want a "lewis" gun lol

No taking the piss out of the Brits. THEY now own the 'world's longest sniper' shoot, and with three consecutive shots with the .338LM, not a .50cal.

Anyhow, these guns are not for snipers, but for designated marksmen within the rifle platoon, supplementing but not replacing the platoon sniper section who are still armed with the .338LM.

tac