SHOT SHOW 2012 - Robarms XCR-M 308 Rifle

[sparhawk]

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aluminium folding stock
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XCR-L
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[Danimal247]

like this

[Epoxy7]

That stock sure looks better than the ones on the 223 rifles.

[burnaby]

When???

[50calshooter]

Looking alot better...

3 things,

1 it's nice to see some effort finally put into the stock, 10 times better! But it remains to be seen if we can get those up here, being a folder and all.

2 it's about time he changed his picatinny rails to the true 1913 style. The old style with the line down the center of the slots was just terrible.

...and 3 again it's about time he up graded his "XCR" logo on the side of the mag well, the new font looks really nice.

Seems he's starting to really refine his design, it's all about the details IMO. I might be interested in one of these once LGR is scrapped...

[Wally]

Yeah, when?

[sewktbk]

1 it's nice to see some effort finally put into the stock, 10 times better! But it remains to be seen if we can get those up here, being a folder and all.


Is that because of US export laws?

[The Giant]

Is that because of US export laws?

Yes. They need to make a non folding version. The new stock looks great and it would be nice if we could get them.

[lil_juiced_coupe]

Ahhhh mr Robinson himself, probably telling everyone who come to his booth to go to hell

[Camp Cook]

Oh man that -M in OD green looks fantastic it would totally complement my OD green -L just can't afford both right now...

Actually it is so nice I am starting to think I should be selling my -L with uppers in 223 & 6.8SPC and get an OD green -M in 260 Rem instead...

CC

[carbonrod]

What holds the barrel on in the 308 ones? Still one perpendicular bolt?

[AlexF]

Ahhhh mr Robinson himself, probably telling everyone who come to his booth to go to hell

As long as they're not paying customer, I could not care less. He lives in a free country and pretty much can do what he wants including tailoring his rifles so that we can buy them non-restricted. That's what really important for me.

Alex

[tmackay]

Mr Robinson can tell me to go to hell any day, I will oblige. I want that rifle and hopefully we will be able to purchase it up here.

[Camp Cook]

I have repeatedly spoken or communicated thru email with Alex not once have I not had the best of responses possible from him.

I may not have liked the answer like he is not looking at making a -L conversion kit in 450 Bushmaster or 458 SOCOM but he answered or responded almost immediately.

CC

[fuzzynuts54]

I'd trade him my soul for that gun, as long as he didn't need a credit cheque because
my soul has alot of liens.

[fenceline]

I'd trade him my soul for that gun, as long as he didn't need a credit cheque because
my soul has alot of liens.

Well as long as you aren't morally bankrupt your soul should still be good for a couple of more guns... :D

[eg23]

It definitely looks good with that stock. I really like the OD green color. Wonder how much longer till they get up. I need range reports before I I buy one.

[fenceline]

It's about time he changed his picatinny rails to the true 1913 style. The old style with the line down the center of the slots was just terrible.

Damn you. I hadn't even noticed until you mentioned it. It does look better with that rail. As for the mag well, I could do without the XCR on the right side. The clean non-engrave mag well is prefered. That's just me though.

[Wally]

It definitely looks good with that stock. I really like the OD green color. Wonder how much longer till they get up. I need range reports before I I buy one.
with how long it's taken to release it better be ####ing PERFECT in every way imaginable.

[greendoh]

with how long it's taken to release it better be f**king PERFECT in every way imaginable.

and then you ##### ##### ##### when companies rush out buggy products.

[enefgee]

RopbArms actually at SHOT this year? (not like last year, with covert meetings in Hotel rooms)

[driller212]

RopbArms actually at SHOT this year? (not like last year, with covert meetings in Hotel rooms)

yea I am surprised also, I thought they were 'banned for life' or something after last year...

[misanthropist]

Yes, congratulations on making it inside!

I am glad to see they've got their rails sorted out. I have been saying that for a while...

Hopefully it runs well and is an improvement for the company.

[scott_r]

The XCR's are really looking polished now. I'm really diggin the stock..very nice.

[88Azazel]

I told the good folks at Wolverine I want one in Tan. Who knows when it'll actually get here. I can wait though!

[ezkmo]

Hope we can get it with that stock.
I would be in for one as well if the reviews are good.

[Ix]

looks very interesting, can't wait to see what they'll look like when they get up here.

[gunkle]

I stopped in and spoke with Alex. He's very personable....and yes....passionate.
Why is it that when people are vanilla, that we blast them for being boring, but when they speak their mind, they're a$$es?

To the point- he said that the new stock (folding/telescopic slide rail) has been approved for Canada. Apparently Wolverine wants to buy them all.
Very fun!

[driller212]

I stopped in and spoke with Alex. He's very personable....and yes....passionate.
Why is it that when people are vanilla, that we blast them for being boring, but when they speak their mind, they're a$$es?

To the point- he said that the new stock (folding/telescopic slide rail) has been approved for Canada. Apparently Wolverine wants to buy them all.
Very fun!

any updates on the first XCRs from him? just curious.

[tootall]

The RA booth is tiny. I missed it at first, walked right past it, then went looking for it later.

Alex was absolutely polite and respectful to me as well. Where did the idea that he is rude come from?

He told me that the folding stock IS approved for export to Canada.

Photos up when I get home.

[fenceline]

The RA booth is tiny. I missed it at first, walked right past it, then went looking for it later.

Alex was absolutely polite and respectful to me as well. Where did the idea that he is rude come from?

He told me that the folding stock IS approved for export to Canada.

Photos up when I get home.

Does this new version also have a fixed stock option? I like the skeleton stocks better as much as I'm probably the minority there.

[gunkle]

IIRC it locks in the folded position. Great look....and has a real comfortable weight.

+1 to Alex - he's kinda bad ass ;)

We're lucky to have an 'AR' type rifle that can go to more places than just a range. I don't know about you, but my rifles get cagey if I don't take them out for walks.

[scorpio_21]

He told me that the folding stock IS approved for export to Canada.


Excellent news!! Wolverine will get my updated order to include the stock and ambi mag release kit.


Alex said these were not approved 2011.10.25 (via email):


We cannot ship the stocks to Canada. The US government will not approve it for export for anyone but LE/MIL.

Sincerely,

Alex J. Robinson
Manager
Robinson Armament Co.

[bear.23]

And the white bottle on the table.. I assume that's loctite :)

[Camp Cook]

Give us a freaking break & that is so typical of the knowledge levels of those that spew against the XCR its a orange juice bottle...

:p

[fireball]

Ya, rally guys. This is getting silly.

Everybody should know by now that the XCR uses blue or red loctite.:D

[50calshooter]

We're lucky to have an 'AR' type rifle that can go to more places than just a range. I don't know about you, but my rifles get cagey if I don't take them out for walks.

I agree, this new version is better (cosmetically, atleast), it's nice to see a company improve. If it runs good, it might be a nice bush gun alternative. The price of $2599 isn't too bad either, atleast it's under 3k

[Epoxy7]

Ya, rally guys. This is getting silly.

Everybody should know by now that the XCR uses blue or red loctite.:D

Or... it could be the new "orange" experimental loctite. It makes sense they would secretly introduce it for their biggest customers. 308 might require a new formula!!! Or it's the new orange "Hunter" formula so when the pieces fall off while hunting you can follow them back home.

:p

All joking aside the XCR-M does look at least externally like they have made a few nice changes. It will be interesting to see how they shoot. That sucks that the stock isn't exportable. I think that change alone was a good one.

[Armedsask]

IIRC it locks in the folded position.
It's about god damn time!

[Matt_mg]

It's about god damn time!

Still think it's like a grandma playing in the NBA? :D

[kmartel]

This has become a long standing part of the NEED list :)

[ccwcanada]

Or... it could be the new "orange" experimental loctite. It makes sense they would secretly introduce it for their biggest customers. 308 might require a new formula!!! Or it's the new orange "Hunter" formula so when the pieces fall off while hunting you can follow them back home.

:p

All joking aside the XCR-M does look at least externally like they have made a few nice changes. It will be interesting to see how they shoot. That sucks that the stock isn't exportable. I think that change alone was a good one.


Dude, the stock IS exporting to Canada now. Alex himself has confirmed it and so has Wolverine. Al XCR-M's will ship with it. But probably the Canadian ones won't fold or some such.


BTW, that isn't experimental orange "loctite". You can't see the label but it's actually called "quicktite". It's imported from an Israeli company that uses it for fusing baseplates on mortar tubes. The chemical bonding process is nearly equal in value to the strong nuclear bonding force inside an atomic nucleus. It's highly restricted but Alex knows a guy with the import permit. Apparently you can not shoot the ones he has on display because actually-shootable models are impregnated with this quicktite, they're basically a block of orange quicktite inside.
:feedTroll:

[fenceline]

Dude, the stock IS exporting to Canada now. Alex himself has confirmed it and so has Wolverine. Al XCR-M's will ship with it. But probably the Canadian ones won't fold or some such.


That stock in a non-folding configuration without a hinge would look pretty clean.

[firemachine69]

Still waiting for my southpaw variant. :p

[ccwcanada]

That stock in a non-folding configuration without a hinge would look pretty clean.

Yah it would be nice looking.

There is a user-review on it at xcrforum.com

http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,12633.0.html

and the guy says he'd rate it at about a B-. He says that in the folded configuration the fire-controls are too difficult to access.

I personally don't know why the heck you'd want a folding stock in the first place, or to shoot it like that - so you can look cool spraying from the hip? I don't know, give me a fixed stock any day over a folding one that can f-up on ya.

Other than that complaint he said the stock is great, with lots of config options for cheek weld and scope height etc (some of which he didn't understand how to work at first, so that poorly affected his rating).

[Epoxy7]

Even without the folding option which is better, it would still be a nice improvement over the older style stock.

Rumor has it that the XCR-M will be test fired and then shipped in it's after firing condition. There was a sneak peak of one packaged up and ready to be shipped out.

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Some assembly required!!!

[fenceline]

Yah it would be nice looking.

There is a user-review on it at xcrforum.com

http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,12633.0.html

and the guy says he'd rate it at about a B-. He says that in the folded configuration the fire-controls are too difficult to access.


One of the reasons (yes I know there are others) that the AR15 platform is so popular is the string of options that one can build into it. When I look at the RA website there aren't many. There are barrel lengths and color options, but the only stock option is the folding stock. One would think that letting a consumer decide between the original skeleton stock, the old folding stock, this folding stock or a fixed version of this folding stock would bring more consumers to the trough. Hell, through in the AR buffer tube adapter option right from the factory for all the aftermarket stocks too! Or make the design capable of running all of these options. A chassis that would allow the mounting of the folding stock, but could be swapped out in favor of all the fixed and collapsible stocks given a universal mounting system.

Pick a color, and have unlimited barrel vs stock configurations not limited to whether you buy folding or non.

[fenceline]

^^^ For some reason I can't edit my own post. After typing the above, can someone actually tell me if the foldable stock and the associated hinge is all removeable?

[b_w.]

I like the look of it. Folding stock is a neat feature but functionally of little use. If the price is right and the QC is good I will certainly pick one up.

[CBMS]

Are they going to keep the production of their -L's up? or are they going to retool completely for the -M's?