Grand Power Pistols Coming Soon - Canadian Distribution

[Blue Line]

Hello All,

As some of you know we are constantly looking for new products to offer to the Canadian market.

We have just signed an agreement to be the exclusive Canadian distributor for Grand Power products. We know that some of the previous generations of these pistols have been imported before and we hope to be able to support these customers with the spare parts and accessories to fit their needs as well.

We will be importing and distributing pistols as well as the supporting parts and accessories to dealers across the country. We should have all of the completed FRT numbers this week and we are in the process of placing our initial product order. We will be importing and stocking the full line of Grand Power products which are able to be imported to Canada.

Please contact your local dealer for more information.

We are currently working on a new dealer program for all of our produces as well as the pricing structure for all Grand Power products in Canada. More information will be available shortly.

Many thanks have to go out to the team over at Grand Power, we are excited to offer the full line of these fantastic pistols to the Canadian market.

Here are some teaser pictures of pistols which will be on the initial order.

Best regards,
Ryan Patterson

http://www.grandpower.eu/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Model_K100_Mk7_4b9373671db04.jpg

http://www.grandpower.eu/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/_MGL5269.jpg

http://www.grandpower.eu/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Model_K22_S_4c1f9cf747c00.jpg

[308TRshooter]

How much will these be selling for?

[Blue Line]

How much will these be selling for?

There are several models coming in on our initial shipment. Retail pricing has not yet been established. I will update this thread as soon as more information is available.

Best regards,
Ryan Patterson
Blue Line Team

[Canuck223]

Excellent!!

I see an X-Calibur in my future. The K22 will be a great addition but for phuck sakes get Jaro to build the Canadian model on the new frame, not the Mk6 shown in the picture.

Existing owners will be looking for replacement recoil springs and extractors. That range bag possibles kit we carry for insurance....

[handofzeus]

Isn't this just a rebranded STI GP-6?!

[Blue Line]

Isn't this just a rebranded STI GP-6?!

Yes, the STI GP-6 is produced by Grand Power. Grand Power calls it the K100. There will be several other models imported other than just the K100 series.

Best regards,
Ryan Patterson
Blue Line Team

[tekarra]

Is the GP-6 not a reworked K100 to add points for the ATF scoring system so it can be imported into the USA?

[Canuck223]

Isn't this just a rebranded STI GP-6?!

STI imported only the basic K100 and the P1 reduced barrel version. They offered and then dropped the racier C model.

Since that time, Grand Power has listened to the market, and introduced newer models.

For IPSC and Action Pistol, a longer barrel and coresponding sight radius was needed, at least to compete with the Tanfoglio and CZ models.

Grand Power came up with the X-Calibur which has a longer slide and bull barrel. For those wanting the longer barrel but the lighter weight of the K100, Grand Power also came out with the X-Trim. It's essentially the X-Calibur with the fluted barrel.

Unfortunately, STI didn't import or promote the more sporting models.

I'm very happy with my GP6 but will have to seriously think about upgrading.

(I say think, only because I suspect I'm going to wind up with both.)

[Blue Line]

Is the GP-6 not a reworked K100 to add points for the ATF scoring system so it can be imported into the USA?

As far as I have been told the only difference between the K100 Mk7 and the newest STI GP-6 is the shape of the hammer.

Best regards,
Ryan Patterson
Blue Line Team

[Canuck223]

Is the GP-6 not a reworked K100 to add points for the ATF scoring system so it can be imported into the USA?

The initial hang up on US importation was the origional version was serialed on the slide and barrel, not the frame.

The newer models STI imported have the frame insert serialed and are importable. You can see the same feature is now standard.

[Hitzy]

Isn't this just a rebranded STI GP-6?!

STI is the rebranded pistol...
The owner of Grand Power is a member on CGN, his pistols were available here in Canada a few years ago, pricing was decent, and the design is unique and solid enough that STI put their name on it.
The .22 looks like it would be fun

[Canuck223]

STI is the rebranded pistol...
The owner of Grand Power is a member on CGN, his pistols were available here in Canada a few years ago, pricing was decent, and the design is unique and solid enough that STI put their name on it.
The .22 looks like it would be fun

Part of me would love to know what the thinking was at STI.

The gun is excellent, and to add to the STI lineup in the one segment of IPSC that the 1911 can't play in made sense.

They advertized it well. It got good reviews in the gun press.

Then STI seemed to take two steps back. The accessory sights and newer models just didn't seem to materialize. Getting spare parts wasn't as easy as it should have been.

I got a tip from a little birdy that Blue Line might be picking up the line.

I probably bored the pants off of Ryan, suggesting a few things that might make for a smoother re-launch with the new models. He was very kind in not telling me to get bent.:D

[Blue Line]

Part of me would love to know what the thinking was at STI.

The gun is excellent, and to add to the STI lineup in the one segment of IPSC that the 1911 can't play in made sense.

They advertized it well. It got good reviews in the gun press.

Then STI seemed to take two steps back. The accessory sights and newer models just didn't seem to materialize. Getting spare parts wasn't as easy as it should have been.

I got a tip from a little birdy that Blue Line might be picking up the line.

I probably bored the pants off of Ryan, suggesting a few things that might make for a smoother re-launch with the new models. He was very kind in not telling me to get bent.:D

Haha, not a problem at all. I look forward to speaking again soon.

Cheers,
Ryan

[Hitzy]

Part of me would love to know what the thinking was at STI.

The gun is excellent, and to add to the STI lineup in the one segment of IPSC that the 1911 can't play in made sense.

They advertized it well. It got good reviews in the gun press.

Then STI seemed to take two steps back. The accessory sights and newer models just didn't seem to materialize. Getting spare parts wasn't as easy as it should have been.

I got a tip from a little birdy that Blue Line might be picking up the line.

I probably bored the pants off of Ryan, suggesting a few things that might make for a smoother re-launch with the new models. He was very kind in not telling me to get bent.:D
For sure. With STI's reputation, they could have really pushed this pistol into the mainstream. Springfield did a good job with the XD...I guess STI are just too focused on 1911s to give a #### :) its not likely it was cutting into their market niche in anyway...just expanding it.

[Canuck223]

For sure. With STI's reputation, they could have really pushed this pistol into the mainstream. Springfield did a good job with the XD...I guess STI are just too focused on 1911s to give a s**t :) its not likely it was cutting into their market niche in anyway...just expanding it.

They also did single action revolvers through another foreign manufacturer, and I think that line was also sidelined. There is some wisdom in sticking to a core business.

I believe STI act as thier own distributor, which can mean in the US market they limit sales to some FFL's. (As in many FFL's probably order from a few distributors, but have one or two they normally use. )

Sounds like we don't need to worry, as it looks like Blueline are gearing up to serve the direct sales and dealers. There's no good reason for them not to be in the counters of the stores going forward.

[Blue Line]

They also did single action revolvers through another foreign manufacturer, and I think that line was also sidelined. There is some wisdom in sticking to a core business.

I believe STI act as thier own distributor, which can mean in the US market they limit sales to some FFL's. (As in many FFL's probably order from a few distributors, but have one or two they normally use. )

Sounds like we don't need to worry, as it looks like Blueline are gearing up to serve the direct sales and dealers. There's no good reason for them not to be in the counters of the stores going forward.

We hope to start offering the whole line of pistols, parts and accessories to dealers and consumers nation wide very shortly.

Best regards,
Ryan

[Geoff B]

So what has happened to the other Canadian distributor of these pistols - Freedom Ventures?

[Blue Line]

So what has happened to the other Canadian distributor of these pistols - Freedom Ventures?

Freedom Ventures is the distributor for STI pistols. We are distributing the Grand Power line of pistols who produce a pistol for STI.

Best regards,
Ryan Patterson
Blue Line Team

[Tengoo]

Are all the GP pistols 9mm [or .22LR]? I'd be more interested in a .45ACP or .40/10mm...

[SCDL]

Cool stuff, keep us posted.

[Can-down]

Is the .22lr shown a conversion kit or stand alone model?

[Blue Line]

Is the .22lr shown a conversion kit or stand alone model?

The .22LR pistol shown is a stand alone pistol.

From what I have been told there are plans for a .40 and .45 in the near future.

Best regards,
Ryan Patterson
Blue Line Team

[Splatter]

I really thought it was cool how Jaro would come on here and post stuff. His links to the cool stuff and Euro-IPSC sites was fun.
Man, the K-100 with the 3-shot burst sure made my shorts damp!

[Canuck223]

Are all the GP pistols 9mm [or .22LR]? I'd be more interested in a .45ACP or .40/10mm...

The guns currently in production are in two basic formats using the same frame type. For calibers other than 9x19, instead of the rotary barrel lock up, Grand Power instead use a fixed barrel. While I doubt demand is high enough to bother importing them here, Grand Power also make versions in 9x18 (9mm Mak) and in 9x17 (.380 acp). They also make a rubber bullet model for markets where civilians can't own live guns.

This past spring Grand Power unveiled a prototype of thier next model. It's based on the same principles, but the frame and frame insert are sized up to .45acp.

Here is a link to my album with some disassembly tips.
http://s455.photobucket.com/albums/qq274/Canuck223/GP6/

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq274/Canuck223/GP6/GrandPower45acp.jpg
Here's the proof of concept model displayed this spring.

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq274/Canuck223/GP6/GrandPower45acp2.jpg
And the front view.

The biggest change suggested by the prototype is a solid trigger guard and different take down system.
The slide profile seems more 1911'ish.

Since this photograph was released, Jaro has designed a better contoured safety with wider pedals. I suspect they may be included on the new model. The rear sight on this mock-up isn't the Elliason type featured on the 9mm frames. I suspect Grand Power might go with a Bomar or LPA type rear sight for production. Just speculation on my part.

http://www.grandpower.eu/components/com_virtuemart/show_image_in_imgtag.php?filename=resized%2F22_Hma tn__k_SPOR_501785532533b_250x250.jpg&newxsize=90&newysize=90&fileout=

[SCDL]

A full sized pistol in 9x17 would be pretty interesting, I think.

[raks]

Very interesting, I like the look and feel of these guns and an improved safety would definitely be a plus. Kudos to BLue Line for brining these in!

[Can-down]

The old or current style take down with the hinged trigger guard has a large hole in the frame just behind the railed area.....this hole results in a lot of flex in the plastic railed area of the frame. Not a huge deal but I'd rather see the railed portion of the plastic frame be solid with no holes weakening that area.

[Canuck223]

The old or current style take down with the hinged trigger guard has a large hole in the frame just behind the railed area.....this hole results in a lot of flex in the plastic railed area of the frame. Not a huge deal but I'd rather see the railed portion of the plastic frame be solid with no holes weakening that area.

I never really thought of that, but I don't imagine it would cause many problems.

The metal frame insert is taking the recoil forces first. It bears on the plastic frame largely through the rear of the insert where the sear/hammer/ejector are held, and at the front through the slide stop pin.

If a plastic frame was to fail on this gun, I'd expect to see it at the slide stop pin. Unless BATFE force Grand Power to use sonic welding to fuse the frame to the insert, the frame is easily replaced if it ever did break and it's not the serialed part.

It will be interesting to see how the product evolves as the GP40 is released. If the larger frame uses the new takedown system, it might trickle down to later versions of the origional frame size.

[Can-down]

It's not so much a failure type fault that is the issue, it's more that if you are running a laser on the rail, the flex in the rail diminishes the accuracy potential.
Most people aren't running lasers but I figure if you are putting a rail on your gun the least you can do is make it relatively stiff and consistent.
Glocks have some flex too but not nearly as much as the Grand Power due to that hole where the slide latch passes through.

[Canuck223]

It will be very interesting to see the X-Trim and X-Caliber in person. In particular the weight and balance of the new models.

The X-Trim is the same size as the K-100 but weighs an ounce less. The K-100 barely moves in recoil with 147gr ammo. Depending on how it's sprung, the X-trim might prove to be a lively cat on steel.

The X-Caliber has the 126mm barrel and corresponding slide, and weighs 2 ounces more than the K-100. I suspect I'll be buying one of these first.

[Deckard]

That translucent version is the bomb. Can you get that one?

[Canuck223]

That translucent version is the bomb. Can you get that one?

That picture was posted by the owner of the company for the European version of the SHOT show. My guess is they used the clear plastic to test the molds and the fit of the frame insert. I would be surprised to see it offered to the public.

That said, they did list a special run of Tan coloured frames.

[Splatter]

I know a very tiny bit about plastic moulding.
If the translucent model would be available, it would probably be significantly more expensive and probably less durable.
When they are "building" translucent and transparent plastics they are quite limited as to what ingredients they can use, they have to be very high purity and often can not have the strength and toughness enhancers added, because they cloud or make the plastic opaque.
(I use the term "plastic" to generalize)
So you probably wouldn't want the translucent model, unless you were planning to keep it as a "safe-queen".

[Blue Line]

The translucent model was simply for show. They are working on the development of the .40 and .45 models and we should see them in production by the end of the year. I will keep everyone updated as to the progress.

At this time it appears the first order will contain the X-Calibur, the K100 Mk7/1 Basic, the K100, the K100 Dynamic, and the K22S. We will also see magazines and other accessories such as fiber optic and tritium sights, larger magazine releases, and the larger safety release when it reaches production. Spare parts will also be in stock for all pistols hitting the country.

Best regards,
Ryan

[Canuck223]

The translucent model was simply for show. They are working on the development of the .40 and .45 models and we should see them in production by the end of the year. I will keep everyone updated as to the progress.

At this time it appears the first order will contain the X-Calibur, the K100 Mk7/1 Basic, the K100, the K100 Dynamic, and the K22S. We will also see magazines and other accessories such as fiber optic and tritium sights, larger magazine releases, and the larger safety release when it reaches production. Spare parts will also be in stock for all pistols hitting the country.

Best regards,
Ryan

Excellent. If you have the chance, can you find out what the heights are for the fiber optic front sights. The GP sight shows three different heights marked on the base with (I,II,III).

[buzzkill]

"We will also see magazines and other accessories such as fiber optic and tritium sights, larger magazine releases, and the larger safety release when it reaches production. Spare parts will also be in stock for all pistols hitting the country."

You just made my day!!
I'll be watching this post for updates while my wallet slowly hits critical temp!

[Hitzy]

I'm in the market for a new .22, think ill hold out for one of these.....

[Canuck223]

I'm in the market for a new .22, think ill hold out for one of these.....

I wish. Looks like I need two. The .22lr for sure and the Excalibur. I almost need to thank my lucky stars the X-Trim may not make the first order.:D

[renuguner]

I'm in Alaska, and I just bought a K100 P1 called a STI GPI (Century Arms is the new Distributor and they will market it under the generic name)..

I had repeatedly a little trouble getting the slide back on during reassembly.
I had the gun pointing down so the barrel stayed forward, and pulled the slide back so the slots in the frame and slide-rails lined up, but it still took a bit of a shake to get the slide to go in. And I noticed other people having the same problem on YouTube.

I traced the problem to the cut-out for the slide-stop on the slide, catching on the two disconnector arms that reach up from the trigger transfer-bar, and peep above the top of the frame.

The slide has a rounded slot milled into it to push these arms down during normal operation. Because the slot is rounded there is no hangup during the pushdown. But during reassembly you have the sharply angled slide-stop cutout doing the pushdown. And it can catch.

I say "can catch" because there is 1mm or so of slack in the opening when frame and slide rails are lined up during reassembly. If the slide is as far forward as it will go in the opening, that +1mm almost puts the back-end of of the slide-stop cutout on top of the disconnector arm, and it will usually push the arm down. However If the slide is as far back as it will go in the opening, that -1mm puts the backend of of the slide-stop cutout almost behind the disconnector arm, and it will usually hang up on the arm.

A picture is worth a 1000 words, and it won;t surprise me if people are having trouble following this description. Ao if anybody is interested and responds I will try take a picture with my cellphone and post them.

But here's the fix I discovered.
With the hammer cocked, push the disconnector down below frame-level until it clicks.

You do it with your finger if you have a bit of a fingernail. Or you can just put your pinkie inside the magwell and push the trigger transfer bar down until you hear a click.

Now the slide will go on like a knife cutting through butter. The transfer bar arms will jump back to the correct position as soon as you touch the trigger. Which is what happens anyways, you will just get a bit more feedback through the trigger.

If I have analyzed this correctly, I think Grand Power needs to move the disconnect arms back about 3mm, to avoid this workaround. And in the meanwhile they need to document the workaround in the user's manual.

[Canuck223]

I'm in Alaska, and I just bought a K100 P1 called a STI GPI (Century Arms is the new Distributor and they will market it under the generic name)..

I had repeatedly a little trouble getting the slide back on during reassembly.


AFAIK, Century Arms are only picking up the standard K100 and P1 models. Grand Power are currently setting up thier own independant marketing and distribution support operation in the US.

I've owned the first and second generation models. Each new model seems to have some subtle refinement.

Re-assembly can be awkward at first. This is a lot different than the Browning type system. Still, once you learn to have the barrel full forward and centered beforehand, it is easy.

I'm pulling mine out of the safe after breakfast. I can't follow the problem you are having. It's allways been a simple matter of;

Holding the slide in my left palm with the bottom facing up, barrel forward and centered.
Taking the frame and lining up the recoil spring and guide with the hole in the slide.
Push the frame full forward, compressing the spring an pushing slightly down.
Draw the frame back to lock the frame and slide.
Press the trigger guard up to lock.

{edit- OK, so I took a look at mine and tried to replicate the problem you mention. I can't. If you want, fire a picture my way.}

[renuguner]

Thanks for your interest, Canuck223.
I took some pictures and edited some arrows on them only to notice at the bottom of the page: "Posting Rules: You may not post attachments".
I will probably attach the pictures plus what I have written here, to an email to Grand Power eu, and see what they say.

All I can tell you, without the pictures is: the trigger transfer bar if part number 22 in this exploded diagram..
http://handguns.g00net.org/Grand_Power/GrandPower_K100_schm.htm
..and the two disconnector arms are part of it, and they reach up. And you can see the top of one disconnector arm peeping above the top of the frame in this picture..
http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000563/563204.jpg

Now locate the cutouts on the on both undersides of the slide for the slide stop catches (part number 8).

During reassembly,as you push down on the slide, it is possible to get the slide-stop cutouts to come down behind the tops of the disconnector arms, jamming the slide to the rear.

It induce the error, push down and pull back simultaneously, on the slide.

The solution is to push the tops of the disconnector arms down until they click, before you relace the slide. Then there is no way you can create the jam, regardless whether you pull back or push forward as you push down on the slide as you install it.

[renuguner]

An afterthought:
I have here a CZ-83 and a Bersa Thunder 22, and on both the slide is removed and installed in the same was as the K100, by tilting the slide up and down. The CZ-82 even has the trigger guard you pull down to allow the slide to pass fully to the rear like the K100.
They both have a single disconnector arm not double like the K100, which doesn't change the relevance to the issue. In both the CZ and the Bersa the top of the single disconnector arm is well under a flat uncut part of the slide rail. And the disconnector arm is unambiguously pushed down by the slide, when you push it down.

The problem with the K100 is the position of disconnector arms in the frame, overlaps the position of the cutouts in the slide rail for the slide stop catches, when you line up slide and frame during reassembly.

[Canuck223]

The solution is to push the tops of the disconnector arms down until they click, before you relace the slide. Then there is no way you can create the jam, regardless whether you pull back or push forward as you push down on the slide as you install it.

Do me a favour. Try assembling your gun like I mentioned, with the slide upside down in your hand and the barrel right up at the front. Install the frame onto the slide (As in the frame will be upside down and pressed into the slide). Let me know if you can make it hang up that way. I know I can't.

[renuguner]

Canuck223: Do me a favour. Try assembling your gun like I mentioned.

renuguner: Not having frame and slide configured in the recommended way, induces a different problem. The problem I am describing is another independent problem, and I don't think you understand the specifics of that problem - probably due to lack of pictures. Never mind. Thanks for your interest anyways.

[tag129]

The translucent model was simply for show. They are working on the development of the .40 and .45 models and we should see them in production by the end of the year. I will keep everyone updated as to the progress.

At this time it appears the first order will contain the X-Calibur, the K100 Mk7/1 Basic, the K100, the K100 Dynamic, and the K22S. We will also see magazines and other accessories such as fiber optic and tritium sights, larger magazine releases, and the larger safety release when it reaches production. Spare parts will also be in stock for all pistols hitting the country.

Best regards,
Ryan

Can you tell me whats the different between the K100 Mk7/1 Basic, K100 and the K100 Dynamic.

thx

[Geoff B]

Canuck223: Do me a favour. Try assembling your gun like I mentioned.

renuguner: Not having frame and slide configured in the recommended way, induces a different problem. The problem I am describing is another independent problem, and I don't think you understand the specifics of that problem - probably due to lack of pictures. Never mind. Thanks for your interest anyways.

I have the first gen K100 with lots of rounds through it and your problem is a first. Perhaps your version is different from mine.

To replace the slide on the K100, it has to be pushed fully back so the slots in the slide allow it to drop down into its correct position. Against the return spring pressure, this can be awkward, especially if your hands are oily. ( I had it slip out of my grip and broke the plastic front sight on the basement floor).

Try assembling the slide and frame without the barrel and spring. You will see that once the slide is almost all the way back, it drops right down into position without any interference from other components.

If this works for you, try it again with the barrel and spring and see what happens!

[Canuck223]

Can you tell me whats the different between the K100 Mk7/1 Basic, K100 and the K100 Dynamic.

thx

The terms sometimes evolve.

The K100 Dynamic usually has a very nice wide serrated rear sight (adjustable side to side) and the fiber optic front sight. It also used to come with the large mag release button. I upgraded my STI GP6 with these parts.

The K100 Mk7 is the new standard model. The principal difference between it and the older Mk6 is the new backstraps. The Mk7 has 4 different backstrap options. Aside from that, the serial number plate I believe has been moved to the bottom of the dust cover.

[tag129]

Thank you very much

[tag129]

Just wanna throw this question out there. If you change your stock barrel to a longer barrel (3/4") more. Does it make a huge different? And Do you need to change a different sight? Cause the barrel is longer.

[Canuck223]

Just wanna throw this question out there. If you change your stock barrel to a longer barrel (3/4") more. Does it make a huge different? And Do you need to change a different sight? Cause the barrel is longer.

The added barrel length isn't a bad thing. The added weight can tame some recoil. Thing is, it's somewhat of a half measure. In general terms, you want the front and rear sights to be as far apart as possible.

The front sight would probably not need to be changed.