Federal gun grab?

[Bracketman]

Yes, this time, we have had enough.

[dakaroo]

Question on RCMP FRT, website "http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/online_en-ligne/frt-traf-eng.htm"
Why do you have to create a government account to see this public information? How can we be good little conformist if they keep this information so concealed?

[cheeseburgereatin]

Loosen your tin foil they said...

[Wingnuts]

Truly, Very well said John!

[strathconaman]

Agreed!!!!

[CanadianReich]

The RCMP need to be taken out of the classification business as they are a political (anti gun) lobby in and of themselves. All too often the police (Rcmp or otherwise, at least their "leadership" (not so much the front line beat cops) ask for a law to be made and the political officials do it "to support the law enforcement community", such as MLAs giving the Halifax Chief of police the Body Armor Control Act that he ASKED for (nova scotia) or the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police going on about how THEY want the long gun registry.

also, having just read this article
http://globalnews.ca/news/1038496/in...r-gun-control/
it looks like the RCMP are the POLITICAL force behind all of this reclassification stuff.........
a *political lobby group*





Why is law enforcement so involved in law and policy making?

We need an impartial non political body (yet educated and knowledgeable on firearms and their use by mainstream Canadians) to classify firearms
We need an impartial non political body (yet educated and knowledgeable on firearms and their use by mainstream Canadians) to advise the government on its gun policy making


Given that the Firearms Act was an emotional response to a tragedy that millions of lawful firearms owners have nothing to do with and its utter subjectively "reasonable belief" or "secured" in combination with is application by arguably anti-gun and politically motivated RCMP I feel that the Firearms Act itself needs to be strongly amended whilst cutting the RCMP out of the firearms regulation and classification scheme entirely.

[Rabid]

It makes no sense to me to have two different orgs fighting for our donations. We need one strong voice. Lets make this happen.
R

[Mr Wolverine]

Canada’s National Firearms is consulting legal counsel on the Swiss Arms Seizures and we believe that there are grounds for a Firearms Act Challenge arising from S. 74 of the Firearms Act. In our assessment we need the owner(s) of one of the affected restricted versions of the Swiss Arms Carbine, as well as owners of the newly prohibited non-restricted versions to contact our lead counsel on the matter who will be Solomon Friedman of Edelson Clifford D'Angelo Friedman LLP. There are many questions that will arise from this decision of the Minister of Public Safety to re-classify this firearm, not the least of which is how owners of the non-restricted version will be contacted, given that there should no longer be a record of their ownership in the registration system.

Here is part of the FRT: Canadian Law Comments - in the case of this firearm, it has been determined that the component; commonly referred to as the upper receiver assembly, into which the barrel is mounted and which contains the breech mechanism and upon which the Manufacturer's identification, Model identification, Proof information, and the full serial number is marked, is the Receiver/Frame for the purposes stated within the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code of Canada.

- Company documentation and advertising linking this Model to the SIG Arms SG540 rifle design resulted in an initial "Non-Restricted" classification of this Model.
- In 2013/2014, a thorough inspection of the Classic Green family of firearms (which included this Model) has determined this Model to be a variant of the firearm commonly known as the SG-550 rifle or SG-551 Carbine and is therefore prohibited under Part 1, para. 83 of the Prohibited Firearm Regulations in Part III of Section 84 of
the Criminal Code of Canada.

Other Markings - "CH 016" may be marked on the left side of the upper receiver/frame, which may denote a Swiss Government manufacturing licensing requirement.

Cross-References
Firearm Ref No. Make Model Manufacturer Type Action
82651 SIG SG540 Manufacture de Machines du Haut Rhin
(MANURHIN)
Rifle Full Automatic
82695 SIG SG540 Manufacture de Machines du Haut Rhin
(MANURHIN)
Rifle Converted Automatic
118907 Swiss Arms Blue Star Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
119484 Swiss Arms Swiss Arms Edition Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
119485 Swiss Arms Red Devil Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
119587 Swiss Arms Black Special Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
119588 Swiss Arms Heavy Metal Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
124216 Swiss Arms Classic Green Carbine Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
124218 Swiss Arms Classic Green CQB Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
Also Known As/Product Code
Classic-Green
PE 90
PE90
Year Dates No Data Retrieved

Importer
FN Sports
Shooting Edge

So we have two separate challenges started? Why not work together, pool our resources and have one challenge?

[CanadianReich]

Also, telling gun owners they have no compensation and to ask the DEALER for a refund is still theft- the dealer is being robbed, punished for daring to import a gun that the RCMP could one day decide to prohibit after they deemed it non restricted or restricted. I guess you importers need to learn your lesson and only import large wooden stocked guns with moose- killing power in a "safe" mechanism like bolt action, because, you know, they were never ever "made for war"........ and are utterly harmless (sarcasm)

omg my head hurts


so much wrong with what is going on here

[bcbravo2zero]

Any benefit to trying to bring the NRA up here and turning it into a shared USA/Canada organization?

I don't think that is a good idea at all. If anything were to galvanize public opinion and motivate gun-grabbers, it would be this. Far too much baggage with the NRA, not to mention extremism. We don't need Americans to do it for us in an American way. We need to do it ourselves.