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    Take a moment to read this.... The Liberals are already at work....


    RCMP tests show some firearms can be converted to fully automatic


    Many semi-automatic rifles are susceptible to improvised deadly upgrades

    RCMP tests on a variety of semi-automatic weapons sold in Canada have found
    the guns can be converted temporarily into fully automatic firearms through
    an improvised technique described on the internet.

    That was the conclusion of an internal report prompted by last year's
    shooting deaths of three Mounties in Moncton, N.B. The report was delivered
    to the public safety minister for possible action.

    RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson wrote to Steven Blaney last December,
    detailing test results on six types of semi-automatics and recommending the
    government consider laws or regulations to ensure the improvisation
    technique is prohibited.

    Mountie killer Justin Bourque told RCMP that he had considered making his
    semi-automatic rifle into a prohibited fully automatic weapon, using an
    improvised technique. (RCMP)The Mounties also sent a warning, known as an
    officer safety alert, to Canadian police forces in January this year tipping
    them to the technique "so that they may take appropriate enforcement or
    investigation measures."

    "Criminals could . adopt this technique to work around prohibitions on fully
    automatic firearms, potentially resulting in an increase in gun violence,
    mass casualties or copycat crimes as the technique is applied more broadly,"
    Paulson advised the minister.

    In a response six months later, however, Blaney said changes are not needed.


    Law 'sufficiently robust'


    "While utilizing such methods to increase the effective rate of fire of
    semi-automatic firearms is certainly ill-advised, I am of the view that the
    current legislative framework is sufficiently robust to protect the public
    from dangerous firing techniques," he wrote on June 29 this year.

    CBC News obtained correspondence between Paulson and Blaney on the issue
    through the Access to Information Act, with significant deletions of
    sensitive information, including the name and description of the technique
    tested.

    CBC News has independently identified the technique and its presence on the
    internet, and obtained other documentation, but is withholding details out
    of concern for public safety.

    "We've raised the issue that there's a possible officer safety and public
    safety issue, and it's for policymakers to decide," Peter Henschel, RCMP
    deputy commissioner, said in an interview.

    'We have demonstrated that there are some weapons that are susceptible to
    being fired in full automatic mode.' - Peter Henschel, RCMP deputy
    commissioner

    "We have demonstrated that there are some weapons that are susceptible to
    being fired in full automatic mode."

    Henschel declined to provide details, except to say that "mid-range calibre
    [weapons] based on a military or paramilitary design" are more susceptible
    to the technique.

    Blaney, who retained his Quebec seat in the Oct. 19 election and remains
    minister until Nov. 4, told CBC News that existing laws and tough sentences
    are sufficient to deal with potential problems.

    "We agree with the RCMP's initial conclusions that this technique does not
    pose any immediate threat to public safety and that appropriate actions have
    been taken to address concerns," he said in an email last week.

    "Altering a firearm for fully automatic fire is illegal in Canada. Violators
    could be subject to a lengthy prison sentence of up to 10 years."

    The RCMP tests were triggered when Justin Bourque, the 24-year-old Moncton
    shooter who killed three Mounties and severely injured two, told
    interrogators he had considered using the technique to upgrade his
    semi-automatic rifle, a Poly Technologies Model M305 .308-calibre
    Winchester.


    Considered upgrade

    Bourque did not carry out the upgrade, but the RCMP, which in 2005 lost four
    officers at Mayerthorpe, Alta., to a gunman with a semi-automatic rifle,
    soon ordered the lab work.

    "The RCMP has conducted extensive testing of the [blanked out] technique on
    six firearms, representing a significant spectrum of semi-automatic rifles
    available on the Canadian market," Paulson told Blaney.

    The test report, titled Feasibility and Practicality of Improvised Full
    Automatic Fire, was entirely withheld in the Access to Information Act
    package released to CBC News.

    Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney told the RCMP that existing laws and
    regulations are sufficient to deal with the possibility that semi-automatic
    weapons could be turned into more deadly fully automatic firearms. (Adrian
    Wyld/Canadian Press)The federal Justice Department looked at the legal
    framework, and in an April 30 report concluded that "overall, there is
    ambiguity in the law concerning improvised techniques to convert firearms to
    automatic fire," says a briefing note for Blaney, dated June 25 this year.

    "There are no documented cases where the [blanked out] technique has been
    used in a criminal offence in Canada. Should this technique be encountered
    in Canada, law enforcement has the power to act by laying charges under the
    Criminal Code."

    In 2009 and 2013, Canada prohibited models of semi-automatic weapons that
    had previously been allowed on the market but were later found to be too
    readily modified to fully automatic status.

    But in a third case, Blaney imposed a two-year amnesty after the RCMP
    determined that CZ 858 and Swiss Arms semi-automatic rifles should also be
    prohibited because of their susceptibility to conversion to automatics.
    Blaney's action was widely seen as a rebuke to the Mounties.

    The Harper government later passed Bill C-42, which gave the federal cabinet
    final say in any move to prohibit such weapons.

    The newly elected Liberal government's platform promised a series of
    gun-control measures, but declined to revive the long-gun registry abolished
    by the Harper government.

    "We will take action to get handguns and assault weapons off our streets,"
    says the document, also committing to "repeal changes made by Bill C-42 .
    [and] put decision-making about weapons restrictions back in the hands of
    police, not politicians."



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    To bad the "whole" firearm community can't get together and stand together to fight the changes the are coming!

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    Yes, seen it on CBC, they of course only showed a short clip, with the scary bits in the forefront!

    " Those who hammer their swords into plowshares, will Plow for those who do not".

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    Um this report was commissioned last year, and the references to the law being ambiguous are follow up reports from April and June, well before the election. From the Justice Department and RCMP.
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    And how many crimes have been committed with these?

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    Idiots, the lot of them.

    Liberal mentality: "If something has the potential to be made illegal then that thing must be made illegal."

    Remember when they come for our semi autos, DON'T GIVE THEM AN INCH!
    "Never trust quotes you read on the internet"
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    Um, the article mentions it, zero crimes committed. I don't think this article needs to be feared. By stating that there is already a law in place and it's never been used I think it demonstrates, if anything, that despite 2.1 million gun owners in Canada having the access to do this, that they have not. It shows how responsible gun owners are. Not one crime, that's unbelievably good news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sledge View Post
    Um, the article mentions it, zero crimes committed. I don't think this article needs to be feared. By stating that there is already a law in place and it's never been used I think it demonstrates, if anything, that despite 2.1 million gun owners in Canada having the access to do this, that they have not. It shows how responsible gun owners are. Not one crime, that's unbelievably good news.
    You forget the libs are in power now. They apply 0 common sense. Yes this is news to fear.
    Triple bread rounds for the win

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledge View Post
    Um, the article mentions it, zero crimes committed. I don't think this article needs to be feared. By stating that there is already a law in place and it's never been used I think it demonstrates, if anything, that despite 2.1 million gun owners in Canada having the access to do this, that they have not. It shows how responsible gun owners are. Not one crime, that's unbelievably good news.
    Did you just use logic?

    Silly rabbit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledge View Post
    Um, the article mentions it, zero crimes committed. I don't think this article needs to be feared. By stating that there is already a law in place and it's never been used I think it demonstrates, if anything, that despite 2.1 million gun owners in Canada having the access to do this, that they have not. It shows how responsible gun owners are. Not one crime, that's unbelievably good news.
    Agreed, but the "fear factor" of what could happen is what gets Liberals excited. I have no doubt they will cite portions of this report in their new gun grab legislation.
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