I guess we do. My farthest shot currently is just shy of 400 yards with my .308. Without range practise it is quite easy to make that shot on a none moving target which in general are the targets I see. I have a range finder that pushes 1200 yards so I would know the distance and the season I will be hunting in hilly area so I also have angle trajectory on that finder. As I said wind drift doesn't take the bullet vary much at all unless its a crazy wind. That is the only way that argument applies. As far as drop goes its between 4-5 feet. That is a reasonable shot in my books and I take it again. Apologies but we must agree to disagree.