Do you believe the RCMP did or did not keep info from the gun registry

[flyr]

I'm sure there are still copy's floating around out there.
Even if they are not up to date they will still show who owned significant numbers of fire arms in the past.
Kind of makes it easy to deduce if you owned a bunch in the past you most likely still do.(even if they are different ones)

[burnt_servo]

we should have pushed the government at the time make it a felony punishable with a manditory5 years in jail for mere possession of any copy , whole or in part .

[Outwest1213]

By now we all know it's a fact that there are copies out there. They are old and outdated but still useful to the law enforcement as proved in the past.

[tiriaq]

I believe that the official registry maintained by the Registrar of Firearms was destroyed.
Doesn't mean that there wasn't data elsewhere.

[sunjeep24]

Csis should have a copy. If not. They're doing a sh1t job

It's 2016. Spying on your own citizens is the norm

[Sherlock Gnomes]

we should have pushed the government at the time make it a felony punishable with a manditory5 years in jail for mere possession of any copy , whole or in part .

Like the cons or libs would have done that. Too much backlash and not the norm for government. In fact the Cons went as far as to backdate a law so that the RCMP was exempt from blame.

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[scout_289]

Has anybody who has "proof" that the data exists and is being used illegally actually filed a formal complaint?

If not, why not?

It's one thing to call out LEO for cause; it's quite another to make unsubstantiated allegations, create urban myths and tarnish their (and our) image.

If the LGR was in such wide use then since it's "destruction" there should have been one or more charges laid for such things as unsafe storage etc. where the LGR data could be shown to have played a key role. Any competent defence attorney would have shredded the case and we would have heard about it by now.

Not saying that individuals who believed strongly in the LGR haven't kept a personal copy but they have done so at their own risk. And it's something that their boss had better not know because eventually it's going to fall on the wrong ears. Contrary to popular myth there are many officers and support staff with high standards of integrity because if they didn't we'd have a Third World police force.

And High River: while I do not agree with what was done and how they did it there are two sides to every story. We had family in the Town when it flooded and the first wave of searches were to find those left behind and preserve their lives. The second wave of searches was the result of individuals at the police barricade making death threats against politicians and EMO officials.

Houses that were searched for firearms probably had a PAL holder address or anecdotal evidence that there may be a gun therein.

And logically, who is going to risk their career and / or a civil suit to use a database that wasn't even 50% accurate at its best and is now next to useless? The Quebec play for the data was totally political, I think that we can agree on that.

[skneub]

Probably still good enough for a high river

A PAL or RPAL would do for that....

[scout_289]

"Clause 29 of Bill C-19 requires the Commissioner of Firearms to ensure the destruction, as soon as feasible, of all records in the registry related to the registration of non-restricted firearms, and all copies of those records under the Commissioner’s control. As well, all chief firearms officers must ensure the destruction, as soon as feasible, of all such records and copies under their control. Clause 29 specifies that sections 12 and 13 of the Library and Archives Act and sections 6(1) and 6(3) of the Privacy Act do not apply with respect to the destruction of these records."

That pretty much takes care of all official records as I understand it.

Someone may wish to post a legal opinion as to the protection automatically afforded to official government records retained and used or misused by individuals?

We all know what has happened to LEO who have used CPIC data inappropriately.

[krausb]

A PAL or RPAL would do for that....

I was just going type that. They don't need a registry to see who the gun owners are. If they really wanted to find the gun owners , all they need to do is check their in-car laptop and see who has a PAL or RPAL.