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    Has anybody filed an access to information request concerning this? Something along the lines of ( Information concerning the status for the Norinco type 97 and Norinco type 97a rifles classification )
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    Honestly instead of, or perhaps in addition to, fighting to keep what we have Id personally like to fight for what we once had- to get it back.

    All those guns on the prohibited list that are of the appropriate barrel length to be non restricted, that are semi automatic, and are limited to 5 rounds (or 10 in the case of the .223s) should be legal.

    We should be able to coyote hunt with an AR15, or deer hunt with an ak47 (proper ammo of course, imo this would be an ok bush gun akin to an SKS) if they meet the critera for a "non restricted" rifle disrespective of what they LOOK like.

    They already banned guns based on -looks- and im not sure if anyone brings those guns up anymore.

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    Here is what I submitted to the RCMP in their contact form, I suggest you all do the same:

    "How would I go about submitting an Access to Information Act request to the RCMP?

    This pertains to the RCMP's decision to review the classification of Norinco Type 97 and 97a rifles.

    If it would be possible please put me in contact with the person or persons who are responsible for the reclassification review of the Type 97 rifle."

    http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cont/comment-eng.htm


    Has anybody asked the CSSA to look into the issue? It seems like this sets a pretty dangerous precedent.

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    Here is the response I got back:

    Hello,

    You can submit your questions regarding firearms directly to the Canada Firearms Program at cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca

    Access to Information request forms are currently posted on the Treasury Board web site at http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/tbsf-fsct/350-57-eng.asp.

    The RCMP ATIP Branch can only accept request forms delivered by mail (we currently cannot accept your request form electronically or by fax).

    To process your request, a $5.00 cheque or money order (payable to the Receiver General for Canada) must accompany each Access to Information request form.

    After you have completed all of the necessary steps outlined on the request form, please send the form by mail to:

    RCMP ATIP Coordinator
    HQ - Nicholson Building
    1200 Vanier Parkway
    K1A 0R2

    Thank you,
    I sent this to the Canadian Firearms program of the RCMP: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca

    Hello.

    This email is regarding the decision of the RCMP to review the
    classification (non-restricted, restricted, prohibited) of the Norinco
    Type 97 and 97a bullpup semi-automatic rifle. The Norinco Type 97 fits
    all of the proper classifications for a non-restricted bullpup
    configuration rifle, with proper barrel length and inabilitay to make
    it fully automatic. Regardless of this fact the RCMP has seen fit to
    seize a shipment of Type 97 rifles purched by the Canadian firearms
    distributor "canadaammo.com" and hold without reason citing a review
    of the rifle's status.

    Please give any information you have on your desicion to review the
    status of the Type 97 rifle, as well as an approximate time frame for
    a final decision to be reached.

    Thank You.
    Here is the Access to Information Act page: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/tbsf-fsct/350-57-eng.asp

    I suggest you all print one off and send one in to the CFO. It will only cost us $5, but force them to take the administrative time to go out and collect the files and send them back to you. If we all work together we can really turn up the pressure.
    Last edited by torrent1337; 11-24-2009 at 11:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torrent1337 View Post
    Here is the Access to Information Act page: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/tbsf-fsct/350-57-eng.asp

    I suggest you all print one off and send one in to the CFO. It will only cost us $5, but force them to take the administrative time to go out and collect the files and send them back to you. If we all work together we can really turn up the pressure.

    What should we ask for if we submit an Access to Information request?

    I've never gone through the process, so I'm wondering how they handle them?

    If your question is too vague, to you get nothing back? Is it a case where they only answer exactly what you ask?
    This does seem to suggest that cats are – generally speaking – quick-to-anger control-freaks that act without forethought.

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    As far as precedents and classification based on looks there is a case that we have actually one in court recently where a mr. Henderson won his case to have the classification changed on a 22 that looked like an ak. He won and this is good news for all of us, except now the rcmp is appealing the decision but seem to have no real grounds to do so. It is just going to take time and money to get through the appeal and then we will have a precedent set in our favor as to classifying guns based on looks alone. This could mean more changes to classifications in our favourn. Basically the issue is going to come to a head and we can possibly start overturning some of the ridiculous classifications that have been made in the past. I can't use the search now from my blackberry but someone please post the thread for R. V. Henderson if you can find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlehtovaara View Post
    I can't use the search now from my blackberry but someone please post the thread for R. V. Henderson if you can find it.
    I think this is the thread that you're referring to:

    http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...d.php?t=395652
    This does seem to suggest that cats are – generally speaking – quick-to-anger control-freaks that act without forethought.

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    If the CFO does not respond to my e-mail within 5 days I am going to send an AtIA for with this in the space for "information being sought":

    Information regarding the decision of the RCMP to review the classification (non-restricted, restricted, prohibited) of the Norinco
    Type 97 and 97a bullpup semi-automatic rifle. Any information regarding the seizure and holding of a shipment of Norinco Type 97 rifles to the company "canadaammo.com". Any information regarding when the CFO will release the shipment of Norinco Type 97 rifles. If possible an estimated time by which the RCMP CFO will reach a decision regarding the classification of the Type 97 Rifle. Any contact information for personnel responsible for the decision to review the classification of Type 97 Rifles (if possible).
    If we all send in requests like this (it only costs $5!) we might be able to light a fire under their asses.

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    I would like to see if Mr. Canada Ammo (I don't know your name, sorry) condones this before we take a shot at advancing any further and submitting Access to Information Act forms. I would hate to act against his interests in case this screws anything up for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torrent1337 View Post
    I would like to see if Mr. Canada Ammo (I don't know your name, sorry) condones this before we take a shot at advancing any further and submitting Access to Information Act forms. I would hate to act against his interests in case this [YOU] screws anything up for him.
    I think that would be a great idea!

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