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    I dont understand Torrent1337... its our right for us to own these guns and his right to sell them. i think we should all get together and start hammering them with questions. i'd like to set a fire under their asses for sure. especially when our resources and time are being wasted like this, not to mention tax money.

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    I sent this to the Canadian Firearms program of the RCMP: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca


    Hello.

    This email is regarding the decision of the RCMP to review the
    classification (non-restricted, restricted, prohibited) of the Norinco
    Type 97 and 97a bullpup semi-automatic rifle. The Norinco Type 97 fits
    all of the proper classifications for a non-restricted bullpup
    configuration rifle, with proper barrel length and inabilitay to make
    it fully automatic. Regardless of this fact the RCMP has seen fit to
    seize a shipment of Type 97 rifles purched by the Canadian firearms
    distributor "canadaammo.com" and hold without reason citing a review
    of the rifle's status.

    Please give any information you have on your desicion to review the
    status of the Type 97 rifle, as well as an approximate time frame for
    a final decision to be reached.

    Thank You.

    i sent the same email to the same email address. all i received was a very short pass off to another agency.

    "Thank you for your correspondence.

    Firearms being seized at the border, please refer your enquiry to Canada Border Services Agency at 1 800 461-9999.

    Sincerely,
    Brenda
    RCMP Canadian Firearms Program
    CPS Communications."

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    ^^^^^
    Or you can call the CFC and ask to speak to the Head firearm technician. Ask him a lot of questions.

    I've spoken to him, very pleasant fellow, but obviously applying the Haslewander (not sure if I spelled that right) decision, in this case, to feed their own agenda.
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    The problem is the statement in you request, remove that, you do not have to justify your request, don’t bother with broad fishing expeditions, likely you won’t be willing to pay for the material you will be offered, keep the requests short and to the point, makes it harder for them to deny it and easier to comply.

    Such as:

    Request: All internal and external briefing notes, reports, memos, letters and electronic correspondence held by the RCMP relating to the Norinco/Polytech rifle commonly known as the T97.

    In the time frame of Jan 1 2008 to Dec 22 2009

    Send a similar but separate request to CBSA

    If they come back with a large search time with a high dollar figure, break your request down by type of document or calendar period. A smaller request should only cost you $5.00


    My department gets lots of these requests, unlike the RCMP we like to help the public get the information they are entitled to and often suggest to the ATIP office ways for the requesters to reduce the costs of their search.
    People should not have to fear both the government and the criminal. It should be that the criminal fears both the people and the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greentips View Post
    Instead of hoping, why don't you do something about it?

    Like ejecting officials and politicians who are not in favour of your firearms?
    Hoping is easier and costs less.
    Foot sex

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    What I got back too:

    Me (name taken out),

    The firearms would have been "seized" by the Canada Border Services Agency. You may direct your enquiry to their office at 1 800 731-4000 (within Canada), 506-636-5064 (Eastern office) or 204-983-3500 (Western office). You may also access their website at www.cbsa.gc.ca.

    Sincerely,
    Brenda
    RCMP Canadian Firearms Program
    CPS Communications
    Ok, so we know that the CBSA is behind this, so we know who to bother.

    How would we go about getting these rifles released? They have no reason to seize them as far as the law goes. Does anybody know of any official channel to getting seized goods released? Should we just keep calling and asking about the shipment?


    Request: All internal and external briefing notes, reports, memos, letters and electronic correspondence held by the RCMP relating to the Norinco/Polytech rifle commonly known as the T97.

    In the time frame of Jan 1 2008 to Dec 22 2009
    That sounds like a good plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torrent1337 View Post



    Ok, so we know that the CBSA is behind this, so we know who to bother.


    They are just deflecting,it's not the CBSA behind this. It's the RCMP. The RCMP made the determination on the classification of the rifles. The CBSA is just acting on their reccomendation. Talk to the head firearms tech at the CFC. Or check out some of my posts in this thread. I posted about my conversation with him.
    http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...d.php?t=336800
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    When writing ask about the classification
    That rifle on the wall of the laborer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there!

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    Please Can-AM,

    Can we get an update!

    Thanks

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    They have said repeatedly, if you want an update, call them directly. Posting information on a public forum, especially assuming there was ever a legal case, would not be in Canada Ammo's best interest.

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