SHOT SHOW 2010 - Lewis Maching and Tools - 308 rifle system

Questar said:
Not sure how you figure $500 (estimated) is an overly large price differential.

With a $2,500 MSRP in the US and the costs involved for currency, shipping (from LMT to our US office), export permit fees and processing costs, international transport costs, custom brokerage costs, handling costs, and the costs to us to backup the manufacturer's warranty on this side of the border... well $500 is actually quite reasonable (in my opinion).

Remember too that our Canadian price includes $9.99 shipping right across Canada (that obviously costs us a lot more than $9.99).

The reason we gave a "range" is obviously that we simply don't know what actual currency will be when the gun finally starts shipping to us. It would be quite easy to see a significant increase in our currancy cost and that could add a couple hundred dollars to the cost right there.

Sorry but you're dreaming if you expect Canadian prices to be the same as US pricing.... it's just not realistic.

If you want to buy it on the US side then US pricing is no problem (be happy to do that for you) but if you want to buy it and take delivery on the Canadian side then the price is higher to account for the additional costs and services being included in that price... it's as simple as that.

Mark
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Thanks for the info Mark.

I understand that there are import costs (and all that other "good" stuff that comes with getting anything firearms related out of the USA) which will account for some of the price. It looks to me like you're doing the best you can to keep prices reasonable.

Do the US manufacturers sell to Canadian distributors at the MSRP? If that's the case, I certainly understand why the price differential is there (along with all the other costs you specified).
 
shredder said:
Do the US manufacturers sell to Canadian distributors at the MSRP? If that's the case, I certainly understand why the price differential is there (along with all the other costs you specified).
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Of course not... they sell at "dealer" pricing... but dealer margins in the US are small and not nearly enough to cover the higher costs that Canadian business operations face... let alone all of the export costs involved.

Very few people seem to understand just how much it costs to operate a firearms business in this country... it's way higher than our US operating costs... and sales volumes in Canada are pathetic in comparison to US volumes.

Mark
 
I do not understand why people are complaining about the prices all the time.

In there mind is that the $ is at PAR so I have to pay the gun store the same amount.


The exchange rate only account for 40-50% of the price of the gun, and as Mark said.

A good gun store in Canada will sell on average 5-10 guns a day, on the other hand a US store will sell 4-5 times that number, and there is your price.
 
It's a ###y looking beast.....Let the saving begin.


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The ORIGINAL AR 10 rifles, Sudanese and Portuguese variants, as built by AI, did NOT have a forward assist. The updated Port model DID have an FN FAL type adjustable gas regulator ...
which you didn't really need any way, but it was a thoughtful addition

After several thousand rounds through a few dozen examples of the ORIGINAL AR 10 rifles, with just about ZERO malfunctions, with a wide range of ammo including Remington .223 Accelerators, and my light reloads with 125 gr bullets at 7.62X39 velocities, I can state that IMHO, the ORIGINAL AR 10 design did not require a forward assist. That BIG HEAVY buffer and THICK recoil spring, and MASSIVE bolt, all did the job of whacking the 7.62 NATO cases into the chamber quite enthusiastically.
No manual intervention required.

However, all of the MODERN / HYBRID AR 10 designs seem to use as many AR 15 parts as they can. These AR 15 parts were scaled down when the AR 10 was redesigned from a full sized 7.62 NATO BATTLE Rifle into the notorious 5.56 Poodle shooter. While using these smaller AR 15 parts in an AR 10 makes sense from a manufacturing/cost effective perspective, some of those smaller AR 15 parts may compromise reliability and functionality when incorporated into the full sized AR 10.One has to wonder exactly where the designers compromised on these NEW AR 10 Hybrids.

I've been interested in these new Hybrid AR 10s for years now, but am holding out waiting for a NEW AR 10 that was as robust and reliable as the old ORIGINAL AR 10s ... and didn't cost more than my 4X4 van.

This new LMT AR 10 might be the one I've been waiting for.

Until then,
I'll pi$$ away my money with .300 Whisper, 6.8 SPC, etc in an AR 15 platform.
That way at least I can engage standard bred poodles instead of the tea cup poodles with a clear conscience.

PS: Do you ever wonder what would have happened if Stoner had showed LeMay an AR 10 in .243 Win, instead of an AR 15 in 5.56??

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some opinions may be more suspicious than others,
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I have to admit. That's an amazing rifle at a very reasonable price. How close is the basic rifle to the UK configuration?
 
As I recall from our discussions the UK "contract" rifle was specifically requested with flip-up sights (I forget who's brand they used) and the civilian gun comes with LMT's Tactical Removable Sights (not flip-up).

The other difference was the barrel... Military version is Stainless Steel and the Civilian version is Chrome Lined barrel. We were told that Stainless barrels would be offered later as optional purchases, along with 18" length though from what I heard the 16" shoots VERY well. Don't expect the barrel options being available for some time (probably end of 2010 if I had to guess).

The good part is that the MRP system allows barrel changes in seconds.

Mark
 
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