Cut down a 12 ga. I have with one of those pipe/tubing cutters that plumbers use. Deburred it with a machinists deburring tool. Factory looking mod in 3 minutes on my living room couch
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Cut down a 12 ga. I have with one of those pipe/tubing cutters that plumbers use. Deburred it with a machinists deburring tool. Factory looking mod in 3 minutes on my living room couch
Its a trick question. Legal/illegal for whom? Its not illegal if you can legally own a prohibited weapon.
Really? What 12.XX class is a sawed off barrel?Originally Posted by Dakk
Shawn
"...cut my m14 down to 18"..." No. Your instructor is trying to teach you to read the law, not just ask others.
Yes there is a legal minimum, but it mostly depends on the action type. Any barrel length reduction that results in the OAL of the firearm becoming less than 26" OAL is evil.
Those useless 12 and 14 inch shotgun barrels aren't evil because they came that way from the factory. You can't make one or cut a barrel to that length though.
Last edited by sunray; 06-15-2013 at 12:09 PM.
Read it again Shawn. If its legally owned, its not illegal; emphasis on the word 'if'. But there's no stipulation that it be sawed off in the OPs questions either.
It's a trick question because it doesn't provide enough information to answer it correctly. It depends on circumstances not outlined in the question.
Last edited by Dakk; 06-17-2013 at 03:48 AM.
I have and my post still stands as what you posted is incorrect.
Simply having a 12.XX liscense does not make it legal for you to own every other prohibated device/firearm other than the ones in the class of liscence you have.
So, no if you can own prohibated firearms does not make it legal, as a blanket statement. It does make it legal if you are allowed to aquire and hold a licsence for that class.
For example having a 12.6 liscence it would be illegal for him to have a prohibated rifle or shotgun barrel.
•s.12(2): full automatics
•s.12(3): converted automatics
•s.12(4): firearms prohibited by former prohibition order No. 12
•s.12(5): firearms prohibited by former prohibition order No. 13
•s.12(6): handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less or that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition. On licences issued on or after April 10, 2005, these firearms will be referred to as 12(6.1) firearms.
Shawn
Correct. And that's not what I said. You're misreading my comment, just as I said earlier.
The point I made was simply this: the flat answer is 'yes', but the legal minimum for barrel length depends on circumstances not defined in the original question. If we're talking manyfactured barrel length, or different classifications of firearms, then the legal minimum can vary.
No, actually you can shorten it a little more than that even. 18.5" to be safe, and that would remain non-restricted.
Or you can just buy yourself a second barrel from Canada Ammo that's 12.5" long and still stay non-restricted, as long as you keep a full length stock on the firearm.
See, there's also other exceptions too: overall length has to meet...er...I think it's 23.5" or something?
And a semi-auto shotgun barrel that was factory made shorter than 18.5" is legal to own and use, but that changes the classification of the shotgun itself into a Restricted firearm. That means you then have to phone CFC and have it registered as a Restricted. Which means you don't take it anywhere but the range or a gunsmith, just like a handgun. And that doesn't change if you just swap between a short and long barrel, because if a cop stops you, he's looking at serial numbers, not barrel length, and if you are in the bush with a "restricted", you could be facing charges or lose your license.
Similarly, pump shotguns AFAIK are legal to have short barrels that are manufactured...but if you combine a short barrel with a pistol-grip only, (meaning no full-length buttstock), then I believe it becomes restricted.
But if you really like pistol-grip-only for shotguns, you still have an option: keep the barrel at 18.5", and you are legal and non-restricted. This is usually only an option for pump guns, as most semi-autos seem to have a recoil spring going the length of the stock.
Personally though, I think pistol-grip-only is useless, unless you are a SWAT breacher specialist, but even they likely prefer full stocks most of the time.
Also, mention was made of rifles with short barrels. There are lots of short barrel AR-15's, even as short as 7.5", that remain Restricted. There's also a couple of manufacturers, like Dlask, who make short barrels for the rimfire Ruger 10/22, that are as short as 10", and I believe as long as you use a full stock, these can remain non-restricted.
This is what you said
That may not have whay you meant, but doesnt change the fact that that is what you said.
My point is dont make blanket statements that are untrue.
Shawn
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