I'd buy one if (pick any or all)
1) It was built towards light weight/compactness (love my Tavor, but it's a bit bulky, sort of)
2) Has to be cheaper than the RFB, otherwise the market is already served
3) It was .223 or 7.62x39.
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I'd buy one if (pick any or all)
1) It was built towards light weight/compactness (love my Tavor, but it's a bit bulky, sort of)
2) Has to be cheaper than the RFB, otherwise the market is already served
3) It was .223 or 7.62x39.
I am interested.
this will kill the idea then im afraid. Sure there will be some who will fork out thousands of $, but they have more money than brains... JKOriginally Posted by Dlask Arms Corp
Seriously though, i dont see you selling many if they are in line $ wise with other options available.
Is the Rogue platform legal in Canada?
The price would need to be significantly less than a Tavor or RFB.
At $1500 you would sell truck-loads of them.
At $3000 you wouldn't sell any.
Tell us why it would need to be "significantly" lower if it is a better quality and all around more reliable battle rifle? I don't think you can beat and muddy a plastic rifle the way you can an all metal m14 rogue or troy or sage. Am I missing something here? Or are people just "high" on the RFB and tavor.
because its already on the market, its a known quantity, tavor (223) is in military use we know its good, rfb is a toy ( a very nice one) covering the 308, the companies behind them are known, they have parts, warranty ect. now don't get me wrong, some people may know dlask you guys probably make great stuff, but can you say that you are as well known as IWI or keltec cnc? these manufacturers have a large lineup of desirable, quality firearms that are known to be a quality product. A new guy in the bullpup world may have issues when the price range is over a well known product simply because for most people money is money and they will spend it on something they research the heck out of and are sure its a good product. Some people would go for it sure, collectors, people who just want to try it out, or those that want to support your business.
i personally would love to see a 7.62x39 bullpup, using ak mags, maybe a svu concept, 7.62r? for something like this i would consider paying around 2k tops(like tax in). but only if i knew there were readily available parts for it, simple rugged construction. alternatively for the price point you are suggesting think aug... (i guarantee you'd sell truckloads if it resembled that thing and could get *similar* quality)
also just pointing out, how can you claim that its a better quality and all around more reliable than the rfb and tavor? that's not up to the manufacturer but end users to decide that, and if it's the case, you will probably get sales at around 3k. until we reach the point of we can honestly say that your product IS in fact better than the current offerings i don't think very many people would be willing to take the chance. no disrespect ment in anything i said here, just bringing up valid points from an end users perspective.
Because the m14 action is being used right now......overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq.....the RFB is not....nor will it ever be used by any military. The Tavor is used by a tiny little country and a few others. The M14 action is a proven battle action for 40 years. We would be using an m14 action.
Anyways, forgot to include my initial response when i was replying to your last post, wouldn't the action have to be altered enough that its no longer a m14(m305 most likely) conversion kit but an actual firearm developed by you guys using existing parts? now how far will you go with modifications if any? how is ejection going to work, same old m14 mags? is it remotely possible to use another mag type? barrel length? same op rod system? details like this is what would get me interested. honestly if there were some serious redesigns going on to the m14 action this would warrant 3k+ . Now lets just say it is possible because it may not be, but a m14 action that can use PMAG 308 mags, maybe accept ar15 grips and ar10 style hand guards, options for butt pads, check risers, somewhere to put a forward grip(optional rails), and easy breakdown for cleaning. i would lay the smack down on my wallet for some of those features...
options for barrel lengths? redesigned charging system? (as in move the handle forward?) is it going to LOOK good or like a shell covering the obvious m14 underneath? i want it to flow. and if it happens to look aggressive enough to make wendy have nightmares all the better
because anything other than something like that i would see it as taking a norc m305 and slapping it into your owns stock/trigger system and calling it a new canadian legal bullpup, infos!! we(well i do anyways) wants them!
oh and to clarify my previous post this one is supposed to go first, because with modifications or redesigns like this, take everything you know about the m14 toss it out the window, it's a new gun with no street cred to speak of thus the argument for price.
More bullpups are good, but under $1500 is a must.
.223 wylde, 5.56 Nato, 7.62x39, or 308 are all acceptable.
Mags are the big thing, any popular new rifle in these calibers would have to feed from AR, AK, or M-14 mags.
I personally would prefer not covering any tactical rifle in rails from the factory
(however being able to add them after is good and lets the manufacturer charge $100 for a milled bit of aluminium)
Like I said, price is the main factor (and being non restricted).
Any rifle over $1000 is generally not an "on a whim" decision,
however some rifles are so innovative, different, or special, that they sell out as fast as they can be manufactured (KSG, RFB, ect.).
Now make that rifle economical and its popularity will be like the SKS, CZ-858, M305, CQA 5.56A, ect.
Just my thoughts, I can't speak for everyone here, but I want to own every firearm ever made.
However when I have to choose between a $2500 rifle and things like mortgage, gas, food, bills, ect.......... Life...
Sorry, but life wins.
Lets face it, $2500 could be used for a rifle similar to a Tavor or RFB, or you could make it $1500 and sell 4X as many*.
*not based on data, actual numbers could be higher
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