BD38 Discrepancy

[EMEDiva]

Is it just me? But I have been hearing the, " Not in the interest of public safety" cliche being mentioned quite often. It does not make any sense to me, do to the fact that I exercise complete due care and control of my firearms.

William Etter stated:
"It is not in the interest of public safety to reveal to you exactly the manner of the minor modifications to the trigger mechanism to produce full automatic fire.

[jwillmoore]

Given knowledge and tools any semi auto can be converted into full auto.

Given William Etter experience we will soon expect a prohibit reclassification to all our semi autos.

If you ask me the NFA NRA & CSSA the organizations we have been shoveling money at should step up and fight on our behalf to establish rules to what would be considered easily modified to full auto, equipment required to modify and the knowledge required to do so. Knowledge required may not be in the public domain. There must be a set of guidelines developed. Otherwise all our semi s will soon be reclassified.

We don't want them fighting the cause at the UN when there are issues to fight for here at home. Where are their lawyers and experts? We give them money for this specific reason not for them to sit in their glass towers . My 2 cents this morning

[Splatter]

I like Marstar, I have done and will continue to do business with them. I think that (as has been said here already) John has and continues to do a great service to Canadian gun owners.

However, none of the preceding should in anyway be construed as saying that John or the staff at Marstar are perfect. They aren't. They are human, just like the rest of us. And just like Canada Ammo with the original T-97, it looks like the manufacturer is the one that is guilty of lying.

It's very easy for us to do the whole "Monday morning quarterback" thing, and say that he should have known; but he saw something that many of us would like to own, and decided to bring them in.

Thank you, John. Sorry this one is biting you in the butt.

However... if there is anyone in Canada, besides the RCMP lab, that has access to an original trigger group, I'd think it'd be Marstar.

So, can you dig one up, John? And provide independent results?

[tiriaq]

Given knowledge and tools any semi auto can be converted into full auto.....

Given enough knowledge and tools, most any semi auto cold be converted to auto.
But for a firearm to be reclassified under the current standard, the conversion must be easy to do. Reference SCoC Hasselwander. These reclassifications are not based on the use of machine tools by an experienced gunsmith.
Did you know that in the spring of 2010, there was a formal complaint made to the RCMP about why the SKS has not been reclassified as prohibited on the basis that it can be converted to full auto by the simple expedient of attachment of a piece of wire into the trigger mechanism?

[cgnner]

Did you know that in the spring of 2010, there was a formal complaint made to the RCMP about why the SKS has not been reclassified as prohibited on the basis that it can be converted to full auto by the simple expedient of attachment of a piece of wire into the trigger mechanism?

I wonder why the SKS has not been prohibited

[tiriaq]

There was certainly an attempt made to have it prohibited.
The creation of 12-6 prohibited the majority of pistols in Canada, about two thirds of all firearms registered at the time. Prohibiting the SKS would significantly thin the ranks of dreaded semi autos in Canada. Given the current negative attention being paid to all semi autos, such a prohibition would find a lot of support. Once the government changes - and it will, sooner or later - this 2010 attempt will undoubtedly surface. The groundwork has been done.

[midnightvisions]

Guys,

I think someone is pulling a fast one here,

I read the legal report on the Norinco T97A and someone in customs (not the firearms center) was able to get the gun to fire (without showing how) to fire in full auto by disabling the sear spring (by bending it). The gun was never fired to actually see how it would react, but the judge bought it. By disabling the sear in any gun, almost any gun will go full auto, even pistols.

Question; The scam part of this is if you let go of the trigger, will the gun stop?
Answer; no it won't! One pull of the trigger will empty the magazine.


This is not a properly functioning gun, it is also not an intended machine gun. It is an improperly functioning gun that needs to go back to the gunsmith or manufacturer for repair. This type of failure can happen with any gun that has a sear!

This trick is what is used to make the glock 18C go full automatic, a lever holds down the sear. All this joker has to do is find a similar method to make the sears pinned down and the firearms center will prohibit everything the sun. All they would have to do is locktite some of the sears and guns could go full auto.

This is really no different than the AR-15 and the "auto sear." One pull of the trigger and the magazine is empty, even when you let go of the trigger. Auto sears are prohibited everywhere for this very reason. What we have to do is argue that this method of testing goes against the intent of the law. And if auto sears are prohibited, then so is that method of testing. Any semiautomatic firearm that goes full auto, is broken and needs repair, this is basic firearms safety, it is not illegal. Seriously, at the range, If it happens, you stop using that gun immediately and take it apart to find out what's wrong, or take it to a gunsmith. It is only illegal if you continue too operate it that way, otherwise, its a gun that needs repair.

Unless someone has a better idea, this is how this scam should be fought.

[Sneeker]

This is a very interesting thread.

I wonder why the SKS has not been prohibited

Seem like you have a pretty good idea. Do you mind enlightening me?

[tiriaq]

There is a second part to the T97 story, beyond the initial Customs hearing. Have a look at that.
Your understanding of the auto sear in the AR type rifle is flawed. Installation of an auto sear system - Drop In Auto Sear, Lightning Link, etc, results in the ability to fire controlled bursts.
No doubt a BD owner will initiate a Section 74 hearing. The RCMP will have the opportunity to demonstrate ease of conversion, and the owner will have the opportunity to prove that they are wrong.
This business of bringing up the old saw about all semi autos being converted is not a productive argument, unless the intent is to prohibit additional firearms.
Of course, this is quite acceptable to some - if I can't have mine, I'll do what I can to make sure that you can't have yours.

[MegaMonkeyChunk]

You mean that we could of had the historic STG-44 look-a-like that isn't a .22? The grandpappy* of the assault rifle?

* Some say STG-44 was the first Assault Rifle, others say that the Russians made one before the Germans

Depends if you consider the Fedorov Avtomat an assault rifle or not. Personally, I don't. Its just an automatic rifle to me.