VZ 58 in .223 FAIL

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Just a video link of what I experienced at the range the day after I had my VZ 58 returned to me from North Sylva after over 4 months of work to fix the FTF and FTE problems, which I was told there were none.

Basically I am frustrated about purchasing a rifle it had loads of problems (FTE and FTF), I send it away to get fixed where I am told there is no problem... this whole process takes like 4+ months I get it back and the problems are still there and to top it off I get "it is the ammo I am using", which is complete BS...

I am now waiting for a batch of Sellier & Bellot 5.56x45 55gr as SFRC have told me this is what was used to test fire this rifle and it works... so once that comes I will make another video.

http://youtu.be/7LxJPviOo5I

I am posting this on both SFRC and NS forums because really it is either pass the buck!
 
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I am/have been going thru the exact same process with NS with my compact 7.62x39. Doesnt feed, jams up, wont chamber, wont extract yet the returns guy kept giving me the exact same excuses as you had. "Its the ammo", or my favourite"its the weather" and another classice line from him "its just the way the rifle was designed"!!!!!
No lie, these were the BS lines I was being fed.
I havent tested mine out yet after the supposed warranty but I did experience the exact same problems running dummy rounds thru it in the office at NS and they still claimed the rifle is fine.
Ohwell, if I have problems with it still, I will be contacting CSA directly and telling them my problems and the way the warranties have been handled here in Canada for their rifles.
Im not a licensed gunsmith but I do have a extreme amount of knowledge regarding these style rifles, way more then the returns guy at NS (who gave me the BS lines about my rifle) yet only to watch him with my own eyes not knowing and being able to insert a mag into the rifle!?!?!?!!
 
I'm in the same boat. I dont have every trooble you have but i have the same weird case separation that you have wih norinco cj95.
I just sent my rifle last week to north sylvia and 4 month of wait...really? That is ridiculous. I hope i wont have to wait that long.
I am dissapointed really..
For me the only thing it would shoot is hornady 223 taps.
You can talke to csa . I'm curious of the answer.keep us imformed
 
Ok for the slam fire take the bolt out and rattle it up and down could be a stuck or broken firing pin. It seems like it has a problem there that's why it slamed fired and didn't fire the round. Broken or stuck pin is 1 problem. Another could be magazine or ammo related as 90 percent of the function of the rifle is the magazine. Also if ammo bullets are being pushed in that could be caused by a few things 1 is a incorrect cut chamber another is a bad crimp on the bullet meaning it's easy to push in to test this take a round of ammo and try pushing it in by hand on a desk and see if you can push the bullet in to see how much force it actually takes. If it slides in easy it's most likely the ammo.

Hope that helps you fix it or gives you an idea of the problem as it might be just fine tuning that should of been done at the factory or a gun made on a off day.

Here is a video on how to take apart the bolt of the VZ 58 stuck pin would be my bet for the slam fire could be broken could be dirt who knows until you look at it.

[youtube]Q-vSb4xpQBM[/youtube]

Reloaded ammo with pistol primers instead of rifle primers can cause slam firing so if it's reloaded ammo they warn people not to do that as when the bolt slides forward the pin can come out because of the force hit the primer and fire and sometimes with pistol primers it will empty the magazine before it stops. Depends on the design of the rifle but that is why they warn people not to use pistol primers in rifles.
 
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Ok for the slam fire take the bolt out and rattle it up and down could be a stuck or broken firing pin. It seems like it has a problem there that's why it slamed fired and didn't fire the round. Broken or stuck pin is 1 problem. Another could be magazine or ammo related as 90 percent of the function of the rifle is the magazine. Also if ammo bullets are being pushed in that could be caused by a few things 1 is a incorrect cut chamber another is a bad crimp on the bullet meaning it's easy to push in to test this take a round of ammo and try pushing it in by hand on a desk and see if you can push the bullet in to see how much force it actually takes. If it slides in easy it's most likely the ammo.

Hope that helps you fix it or gives you an idea of the problem as it might be just fine tuning that should of been done at the factory or a gun made on a off day.

Here is a video on how to take apart the bolt of the VZ 58 stuck pin would be my bet for the slam fire could be broken could be dirt who knows until you look at it.

[youtube]Q-vSb4xpQBM[/youtube]

Reloaded ammo with pistol primers instead of rifle primers can cause slam firing so if it's reloaded ammo they warn people not to do that as when the bolt slides forward the pin can come out because of the force hit the primer and fire and sometimes with pistol primers it will empty the magazine before it stops. Depends on the design of the rifle but that is why they warn people not to use pistol primers in rifles.
 
I have to say, I bought one of these about a month ago, and on Wednesday I'll finally be going out to break it in, and I'm really hoping I don't regret the purchase :eek:
 
I am going to check the bolt and firing pin now... but like I said this is a new rifle I had to send it back to get fixed.... what I videoed was the "fixed" rifle. I used several different brands of ammunition , I had all kinds of different magazines, I cleaned the rifle(although I did not take the firing pin out) and these problems were also happening with the normal factory banana mags.
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Ok for the slam fire take the bolt out and rattle it up and down could be a stuck or broken firing pin. It seems like it has a problem there that's why it slamed fired and didn't fire the round. Broken or stuck pin is 1 problem. Another could be magazine or ammo related as 90 percent of the function of the rifle is the magazine. Also if ammo bullets are being pushed in that could be caused by a few things 1 is a incorrect cut chamber another is a bad crimp on the bullet meaning it's easy to push in to test this take a round of ammo and try pushing it in by hand on a desk and see if you can push the bullet in to see how much force it actually takes. If it slides in easy it's most likely the ammo.

Hope that helps you fix it or gives you an idea of the problem as it might be just fine tuning that should of been done at the factory or a gun made on a off day.

Here is a video on how to take apart the bolt of the VZ 58 stuck pin would be my bet for the slam fire could be broken could be dirt who knows until you look at it.

[youtube]Q-vSb4xpQBM[/youtube]

Reloaded ammo with pistol primers instead of rifle primers can cause slam firing so if it's reloaded ammo they warn people not to do that as when the bolt slides forward the pin can come out because of the force hit the primer and fire and sometimes with pistol primers it will empty the magazine before it stops. Depends on the design of the rifle but that is why they warn people not to use pistol primers in rifles.
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Well I took the extractor off pulled out the spring but .... well my firing pin is rock solid in there and I don't think I should be using a punch to push the firing pin out... any suggestions??

haha49 said:
Ok for the slam fire take the bolt out and rattle it up and down could be a stuck or broken firing pin. It seems like it has a problem there that's why it slamed fired and didn't fire the round. Broken or stuck pin is 1 problem. Another could be magazine or ammo related as 90 percent of the function of the rifle is the magazine. Also if ammo bullets are being pushed in that could be caused by a few things 1 is a incorrect cut chamber another is a bad crimp on the bullet meaning it's easy to push in to test this take a round of ammo and try pushing it in by hand on a desk and see if you can push the bullet in to see how much force it actually takes. If it slides in easy it's most likely the ammo.

Hope that helps you fix it or gives you an idea of the problem as it might be just fine tuning that should of been done at the factory or a gun made on a off day.

Here is a video on how to take apart the bolt of the VZ 58 stuck pin would be my bet for the slam fire could be broken could be dirt who knows until you look at it.

[youtube]Q-vSb4xpQBM[/youtube]

Reloaded ammo with pistol primers instead of rifle primers can cause slam firing so if it's reloaded ammo they warn people not to do that as when the bolt slides forward the pin can come out because of the force hit the primer and fire and sometimes with pistol primers it will empty the magazine before it stops. Depends on the design of the rifle but that is why they warn people not to use pistol primers in rifles.
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Keep tapping it out.^^^^^^^

My guess is the firing pin isnt long enough. Maybe not to spec cuz when I replaced my csa compact 7.62x39 firing pin with a cz one, it would actually strike the primer enough to ignite it and fire the round (when I can get a round into the chamber)
 
Soldier270 said:
Well I took the extractor off pulled out the spring but .... well my firing pin is rock solid in there and I don't think I should be using a punch to push the firing pin out... any suggestions??
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I'd try soaking the whole bolt in your favourite cleaning solvent for a while to see if you can break up any crud in there. If the bolt is seized due to factory grease, dirt, etc, that should help unseize it.
 
This looks about correct, although you would think after they said " they replaced the firing pin just incase I would have no issues.... I took apart my CZ 858 ejector on bolt... it was easy peasy dropped right out I cleaned it up and put it back together (It has had over 2k rounds through it and the firing pin wasn't bad at all). All I can say is there is no FRACKING way someone replaced the firing pin in this rifle and if they did then there is a bigger issue wrong.

bfiles said:
Keep tapping it out.^^^^^^^

My guess is the firing pin isnt long enough. Maybe not to spec cuz when I replaced my csa compact 7.62x39 firing pin with a cz one, it would actually strike the primer enough to ignite it and fire the round (when I can get a round into the chamber)
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