Pistol grip 20 inch long shotguns legal? Maybe!

[=(M-1)=]

I noticed that there appears to be an interesting loop hole in the firearm length laws that allows a 23 inch long lever action to be non-restricted and available here in Canada-land.

Primarily because it has not been modified in length by its owner, instead by the manufacture. As all Canada laws in regards to length relate to the firearm being "modified, folded or telescoped", non of this occurs from a manufactured pistol grip shotgun with a 12.5 inch barrel.

So I raise the question, Why not bug Dominion to release a Factory pistol grip pump action with a 12.5 inch barrel? And why not get you hands on some of those 23 inch long lever action rifles?! Then give them away for FREE!!! ...ok never mind the free bit, but the rest would be awesome!!!

[Milsparro]

I noticed that there appears to be an interesting loop hole in the firearm length laws that allows a 23 inch long lever action to be non-restricted and available here in Canada-land.

Primarily because it has not been modified in length by its owner, instead by the manufacture. As all Canada laws in regards to length relate to the firearm being "modified, folded or telescoped", non of this occurs from a manufactured pistol grip shotgun with a 12.5 inch barrel.

So I raise the question, Why not bug Dominion to release a Factory pistol grip pump action with a 12.5 inch barrel? And why not get you hands on some of those 23 inch long lever action rifles?! Then give them away for FREE!!! ...ok never mind the free bit, but the rest would be awesome!!!

modified longer and then modified shorter is an interesting question too

[=(M-1)=]

modified longer and then modified shorter is an interesting question too

Modified longer is not an issue over 26 inches. but when its shorter than that, only the manufacture can modify it. So if dominion arms does it from scratch, then its legal.

[CanAm]

not a loop hole, just that most ppl do not understand the 26" rule.

[YouAreInOilCountry]

Oh, I do sup[pose I could try and do some ballistic homework to carry this argument further.... short of someone chopping down an old shotgun past its days... and chop so incrementally.... to witness the spread of either / both slugs and pellets.... for such short shotguns....

My guess is the reason we don't see such short shotguns for critical defense or any other reason is that they spray a big 'ol mess and don't stop anything.

Seriously, @ home... there becomes a point where a shotgun would be pointless, and more importantly, stop nobody, where a handgu nwould do the trick.

Assuming you have any time to react to a home invasion or a bear in the outback... ultimately stopping your adversary is priority #1. So then... assumption made... you have time to react at home...

Grab your longer home defense, or full length shotgun, and take care of business.... for at least 80 Canadians, I suspect the long shotgun is the only choice (That is an inside joke... concerning the waiting lists throughout Canada for Kel Tec to get the KSG shipped to importers... I'm somewhere beyond # 80 in line on my favorite importers KSG wait list)...

Shotgun length should not be a concern within the home domain...

And as for the outback... I'd kindly suggest if such a small shotgun is so convenient to pack away.... therein lies its drawback.... A critical bear defense shotgun, or as I wrote somewhere else, I'd prefer a Marlin .45-70... but if a shotgun can so easily be put away in a backpack... chances are that is where it would, unfortunately, be located when needed.

SO then... if the question about the short shotgun is the ability to own an shotgun so short.... for the sake of the legal right... that is one question.... and apparently answered here by the person who asked...

If the more important question... does such a short shotgun have any utility and could it actually save your life either in the woods or at home.... I have my doubts.

[=(M-1)=]

not a loop hole, just that most ppl do not understand the 26" rule.

Loop hole or not, why not get some put together. I'd certainly buy one over the exsisting ones with the full stock.

[Tyockell18]

^^my 12" side by side with its cylinder bores keep the groups tight enough to do the job quite easily within 10-15 yards....

Good enough for me considering such a compact package. I think its safe to say that a 12 gauge even at 8.5 inches isn't something to sniff at.

[Tuco Pike]

Missing the main point. There are NO LOOPHOLES. We as law abiding citizens work withing the law as written. I am sure if you and 300 other people commit to the shotgun by prepaying perhaps Canada Ammo will look into it.

[CanAm]

Loop hole or not, why not get some put together. I'd certainly buy one over the exsisting ones with the full stock.

Because they "may" be restricted.

[=(M-1)=]

Oh, I do sup[pose I could try and do some ballistic homework to carry this argument further.... short of someone chopping down an old shotgun past its days... and chop so incrementally.... to witness the spread of either / both slugs and pellets.... for such short shotguns....

My guess is the reason we don't see such short shotguns for critical defense or any other reason is that they spray a big 'ol mess and don't stop anything.

Seriously, @ home... there becomes a point where a shotgun would be pointless, and more importantly, stop nobody, where a handgu nwould do the trick.

Assuming you have any time to react to a home invasion or a bear in the outback... ultimately stopping your adversary is priority #1. So then... assumption made... you have time to react at home...

Grab your longer home defense, or full length shotgun, and take care of business.... for at least 80 Canadians, I suspect the long shotgun is the only choice (That is an inside joke... concerning the waiting lists throughout Canada for Kel Tec to get the KSG shipped to importers... I'm somewhere beyond # 80 in line on my favorite importers KSG wait list)...

Shotgun length should not be a concern within the home domain...

And as for the outback... I'd kindly suggest if such a small shotgun is so convenient to pack away.... therein lies its drawback.... A critical bear defense shotgun, or as I wrote somewhere else, I'd prefer a Marlin .45-70... but if a shotgun can so easily be put away in a backpack... chances are that is where it would, unfortunately, be located when needed.

SO then... if the question about the short shotgun is the ability to own an shotgun so short.... for the sake of the legal right... that is one question.... and apparently answered here by the person who asked...

If the more important question... does such a short shotgun have any utility and could it actually save your life either in the woods or at home.... I have my doubts.

First off, my use is for packing it on a quad, and not for defence at that moment, the quad can easily scare off or out run most problems faster than you can draw a gun. But if you break down or your party gets lost and runs out of fuel, (almost happened to me last week) then you’re walking home.
Ask any professional out door security detail that has dealt with bears. Most will fire only one shot at a charging bear, and they do it at the do-or-die moment when it only yards from them. because a bear can cover 50 yards in 3.5 seconds, your better of to take one steady shot up close, than to risk being unsteady for that shot because you’ve been blasting away. Basically one steady shot, 15 yards, big target, and use a slug (many of the pros do) buck shot can not shatter bear bone where as a slug easily can, and the shoulders and upper spinal column is your target, because unlike the head, they don’t move back and forth when the bear is running at you, and the goal is not exactly to kill, just to immobilize it. and for your information a slug meets its primary acceleration in the first 12 inches of barrel, and at point blank will kill, disable or significantly hinder most any creature you meet with one structural bone shot to the spine, shoulder support or upper arm (all in one target rich area above the head) so forget the flesh, they will survive long enough to kill you. As for home defence: Not really an issue for me. But if it is for you, just choose a weak gun with hollow points or BB buck shot so you don’t end up killing your neighbours or kid in the next room.