T97A Final Verdict?

[xdmer]

There hasn't been much new information published that I've seen. I'm asking here because I have a pre-order that I think will never be processed.

ftp://ftp.citt-tcce.gc.ca/english/appeals/decisions/ap2j081_e.pdf

Smells of utter BS.

Does anyone know if we're completely and utterly screwed with this dismissal?

Thanks

[blaxsun]

First I've heard of this. Popsicle stick or paper clip... interesting (that's more than they divulged in the other T97 case).

[styles828]

NO - Because I said so!

[P0WERWAGON]

77. The appeal is dismissed.

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[5440fight]

Wow, quite the read.

#1: the type 97 is a full auto firearm, with a few bits removed.

#2: Canada Ammo threw the sks and 10/22 under the bus to try to sway the appeal their way. Un-cool. Not appropriate at all. " I may have been cheating on you honey, but look, John and Ted have been cheating too, and Bill did years ago! What's the big deal?"

Not cool.

#3: It's going to be hard to bring new guns to Canada.

[5440fight]

You know what, the more I think about it, the angrier I am with CanadaAmmo's approach. Read this carefully, that is a scummy thing to do, and this from a guy that has many purchases from them, and a type 97 t-shirt. They straight up tried to show that the 10/22 and sks should fall under the same category in an attempt to save the appeal, and luckily, no-one was having it.

I'd like to hear a response from them on this, I'm choked.

[Mauserman]

Yeah, very risky way to go dragging other firearms into this. That said trying to beat these guys in basically impossible. You can go to CITT but the odds of you winning are basically zero. It is rigged against you and in favor of CBSA.

[shortyirish12]

So is there any chance of those fellas with pre orders getting there money back?

[tiriaq]

I would suggest that the fundamental problem was that the redesign of the mechanism was inadequate and superficial.
Perhaps the Chinese simply did not comprehend that it was not enough that the rifle be semi auto - that it had to be difficult to convert to full auto.
I do not think that the mention of the 10/22 and SKS was throwing them under the bus. I think it was an attempt to demonstrate a lack of consistancy in the application of the concept of convertability. Unfortunately, the T97A seems to be as easy to convert as a C1A1 was. No modification, just a simple block of improvised material. The 10/22 and SKS require addtional parts or other modifications, so the comparison failed.
It is unfortunate that someone did not carefully inspect the rifle, from the standpoint of ease of conversion before any reached Canada. If someone could have studied the thing from the standpoint of "OK, let's see if I can jigger this sucker", the whole issue could have been avoided.
Keep in mind that there are numerous examples of paramilitary autoloaders that have been approved for importation; there is not a blanket prohibition for importation of any and all firearms of this general type.
As far as the magazines go, a loose, removeable insert simply isn't going to make it.

[SCDL]

I think you guys are being a bit harsh.

Firearms are simple things. You could turn a single-shot bolt-action Cooey into an SMG with little time, money or skill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkSaM2qY1aY