T97A Final Verdict?

[tiriaq]

The issue is not convertability; it is ease of conversion.

[supernova]

I still feel it was unfair to mention other rifles in the same light. No doubt some libtards tooks those mentions to heart and could persue them further. Its just bad practice, like the fool who wrecked the whole semiauto sten thing and tried throwing other firearms under the bus. IMO the Hasselwander test is rigged in the RCMP's favour with its vague definitions that were simply argued in court.
(i) the goods must be capable of conversion with relative ease,
(ii) in a relatively short period of time, and
(iii) the parts required for conversion must be readily available
All three points are subject heavily to interpretation, very open for argument in court where the CBSA simply maintained that they followed these guidelines. Given the f**king retarded amount of time it takes firearms techs to get anything done, 1 month to convert the T97A to FA with a popsicle stick is remarkably fast. For someone at home its a long ass time. Gay. Gay as aids.

[KeltecFan]

This decision was made quite a while ago.
It says the decision and reasons were released on July 7th, 2011.
I've read this here before.

[2drx4]

So is there any chance of those fellas with pre orders getting there money back?

They never paid for anything, unless this preorder worked different than all the others.

They just take your CC info ahead of time, and charge you when they actually are shipping the gun to you. If the guns never show up, or there is some other problem, you're not charged.

[blaxsun]

This decision was made quite a while ago.
It says the decision and reasons were released on July 7th, 2011.
I've read this here before.

I think you're thinking of the other case.

The issue is not convertability; it is ease of conversion.

And the other 'minor' item with the 4,000 prohibited magazines that weren't pinned or welded...

[hbean]

First the decision was posted when it first came out and it can be found in the first stickie on the top of the section.

Secondly the RCMP did not convert the T97 into a full auto, they just jammed a foreign object into the action to cause a continues slamfire, yeah sure you can unload a 30 round mag in less than a second, but it is completely uncontrollable and useless!!

Everyone of us recognize slamfire is dangerous and anyone attempt it is just a future Darwin award winner, however to the anti it is all the reason they need to prohibit a firearm.

[tiriaq]

First the decision was posted when it first came out and it can be found in the first stickie on the top of the section.

Secondly the RCMP did not convert the T97 into a full auto, they just jammed a foreign object into the action to cause a continues slamfire, yeah sure you can unload a 30 round mag in less than a second, but it is completely uncontrollable and useless!!
Everyone of us recognize slamfire is dangerous and anyone attempt it is just a future Darwin award winner, however to the anti it is all the reason they need to prohibit a firearm.

Do you know this to be a fact?

The legal definition of full auto is clear.

Reading the judgement, it is apparent that there was no challenge to the fact that the gun was converted using the technique demonstrated.

[dagtaph]

The question is now - if those rifles modified to the satisfaction of RCMP can they be imported again?

[blaxsun]

“automatic firearm” means a firearm that is capable of, or assembled or designed and manufactured with the capability of, discharging projectiles in rapid succession during one pressure of the trigger;

(c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or

Seems pretty cut and dry. The T97's are either full-autos or full-auto capable, which means they're prohibited. And even if they could be converted to semi-auto, they'd be converted autos - also prohibited. And the magazines are apparently not modified, either (no welds, pins or other permanent means to limit capacity).

So they can't come into the country or leave - which means they're headed for the smelter - so anyone who's still entertaining the prospect of actually owning one is deluding themselves... The only issue I see left is compensation (or lack thereof).

[tiriaq]

What was the disposition of the rifles and magazines?

As far as further alterations to those rifles is concerned, the rifles were ruled to be full auto. If they were reworked, they would be considered to be converted autos, and still prohibited.

If the design was redone, and made thoroughly semi auto, no doubt a specimen could be submitted for examination.