Am I the only one that wont run cheap ammo such as Norc through my AR?

arcticcathonda said:
You mean if I shoot more of my Norinco ammo, I can buy a 10 middle of the road barrels!!!! brb, heading to the range. If it works for you great, if it doesn't then I guess you are stuck with shelling out some more money for something else.

I bought a case of the CJ Norc 223 ammo in hopes to prove how garbage it was. Sadly it has always runs just fine for me. Accurate enough for the games I play, not just making noise. On the other hand a norinco 22 pistol I bought was junk, sold it and bought something that worked. My point is, if I had problems with this ammo, I wouldn't shoot it. I have 5K of the stuff through my DDM4, once I get to the 20K mark I will do a full review.
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I think you missed my point. I was simply showing through math that the savings of shooting norc ammo over the estimated lifespan of a barrel WAY MORE than offsets any perceived premature wear of the barrel. Im making a point that shooting Norc makes financial sense and that the financial argument of wearing out barrels holds no water.
 
rgv said:
At the last CQB match at Abbotsford, while policing brass, I found two CJ stamped cases with lengthwise fissures, just as pictured in other threads here.

For statistical purposes, if you figure all fifty shooters ran Norc (which they didn't), and that I found every single case that failed (which I didn't), that is 2 out of 5400 case failures. The actual failure rate is obviously much higher.

Too high for me. In a year or twenty of shooting and reloading, I have never seen a north american manufactured case fail that I didn't cause.
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I found three there as well.

I got the luck of the draw on my case of ammo, I had half a dozen blown shoulders in the first spam can, and every case mouth was hugely dented on ejection, presumably from higher pressures throwing the case out harder? I'm sure it's fine for others, but I'll pass based on personal experience. Every other brand I've tried runs fine.
 
pavmentsurfer said:
I think you missed my point. I was simply showing through math that the savings of shooting norc ammo over the estimated lifespan of a barrel WAY MORE than offsets any perceived premature wear of the barrel. Im making a point that shooting Norc makes financial sense and that the financial argument of wearing out barrels holds no water.
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I think arcticcathonda got your point but was just being sarcastic.
 
smelly pete said:
I found three there as well.

I got the luck of the draw on my case of ammo, I had half a dozen blown shoulders in the first spam can, and every case mouth was hugely dented on ejection, presumably from higher pressures throwing the case out harder? I'm sure it's fine for others, but I'll pass based on personal experience. Every other brand I've tried runs fine.
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Yep, and that's the concern/experience that most of us who refuse to run Norc have. It's not just that Norc tends to burn out barrels quickly (I remember another CGNer who reported this with one of his Swiss Arms), but also the concern of having a catastrophic failure in your $3000 rifle because of using cheap Chinese ammo. If I had a CQA I probably wouldn't worry about it, but considering I mostly shoot for good groups at longer distances or are practicing/shooting in CQB matches, I'm not going to risk something going wrong in a match to save a couple of dollars on ammo.
 
All Norc ammo i have tried is pretty good for the price except their .223 / .556 offerings. Utter crap , the primers pop out and jam up or even damage your rifle, i had a big gouge taken out of the inside of my AR upper from a spent primer floating around in there , this problem could be solved if the primer was crimped in the pocket like Federal or other brands do with .223.
 
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shawn said:
Anyone who think they are gaining anything by spending more needs to do some research.

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/

Not to mention 99.99% of the people one here don't shoot enough to even get to the first barrel replacement if using steel cased ammo.

Shawn
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What you're not taking in to consideration is that some of the ammo burned through the barrel before the test was completed, and other members here have reported accelerated wear from using Norc ammo. If your barrel should last 20,000 rounds and Norc is wearing through it in 5,000, you are saving significantly less than you think. In addition, if you are running something that isn't an AR and barrel replacements are $500-$1000, when combined with a shorter barrel life, you're not saving any money. When also factoring in a decrease in accuracy and more wear on other parts of the rifle from the hotter Norc rounds, it's really not worth it.
 
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pavmentsurfer said:
I think you missed my point. I was simply showing through math that the savings of shooting norc ammo over the estimated lifespan of a barrel WAY MORE than offsets any perceived premature wear of the barrel. Im making a point that shooting Norc makes financial sense and that the financial argument of wearing out barrels holds no water.
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I think you missed my point, I was agreeing with you! I will happily keep blasting this stuff until my barrel falls off!
 
I’ll feed my bolt guns match or hand-loaded ammo, but I couldn’t give two $hits about my AR. I’ve run over 2,500 rounds of brass-cased Norc 5.56 through my Norc AR and it ran fine, no FTF, no FTE. And that’s a lot of fast and sloppy shooting, often going through hundreds of rounds before any cleaning. When I clean my Norc, the bore is still bright and shiny, and it always goes bang the next time I take her to the range.

Then again, I’m not even reaching past 100 meters with my AR so I suppose I’d feed it better ammo if I were going further with it. It really is up to the individual and what they’re doing with their AR. If it’s just for plinking, the Norc stuff is good enough. If you’ve got a precision AR and you’re going to long-range matches, shooting out to 500 + meters, then the Norc stuff probably isn’t for you.
 
Nork ammo is pretty ####ty stuff. Some of my CJ95 wouldn't even chamber in my bolt guns the brass was sized so far off. I'm not overly comfortable shooting it anymore
 
Throttle_monkey1 said:
I run norc through my 5.56 guns at the range. It's brass cased, copper jacketed. It's not going to wear your gun out quicker than other brass cased, copper jacketed ammo.

I haven't experienced pierced primers or undersized projectiles. Can someone explain to me how an undersized projectile wears a barrel out faster? Obviously the accuracy issues would suck, but that's about it.
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Right on, right on! :)
 
jawsman said:
Yup, no norc ammo for me. I have a few norc pistols and I love them all, but I don't like the ammo. I spent over $2,500 building my custom AR and I will not blow it up with some bad ammo from China. It's a double standard I know but it's my choice to make. That's the beauty of living in Canada.
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cr5 said:
I'll never run it in any of my rifles.
Too many reports of people having problems for me to waste my money on it.
I also like to make groups not just make noise and cause unnecessary wear on my barrels. If I had a cheap AR with an easy to change $200 barrel I wouldn't care much but my barrels cost more than that and some of them aren't easy to replace.
It's junk and I don't waste my time or money on junk. Saying it goes bang almost every time isn't enough reason for me to use it.
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This is is a $5000 plus gun
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This is a $4000 plus gun
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I run Norc 45 through them.


Some of you guys stress about the weirdest things....
 
Shooter1of38 said:
This is is a $5000 plus gun
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This is a $4000 plus gun
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I run Norc 45 through them.


Some of you guys stress about the weirdest things....
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Hah well I guess I'll continue to stress over the weird things for as long as I live. I wont even run Norc ammo through my Norc 1911 .45
I guess all in all I just don't like to support Norc, nor would I feel one bit happy running it through "any" of my guns...
 
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I think its a difference between rifle rounds and pistol rounds.

I've never heard a horror story about Norc pistol ammo.

But I've personally seen Norc .223 do some bad things. Luckily so far they've resulted in clicks rather than booms.
 
Shooter1of38 said:
This is is a $5000 plus gun
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I run Norc 45 through them.


Some of you guys stress about the weirdest things....
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Where did you find that double 1911? That is awesome!
I have run Norc ammo through my pistols, I care much less for them and 99% of the problems I've read about have been with 5.56 and one or two people having issues with 7.62x51.
I have Norc 9mm and used to have 45auto (traded it all off as partial payment for my Nightforce).
I actually like running Norc ammo through my pistols because the brass is such junk I just let it fly and don't need to worry about finding it. When I shoot quality ammo I try to find all the brass to reload.

I don't stress over it at all, I've just decided that Norinco 5.56 is too inconsistent for me to waste my time or money on.
More for you brother, pile it high :)
 
cr5 said:
Where did you find that double 1911? That is awesome!
I have run Norc ammo through my pistols, I care much less for them and 99% of the problems I've read about have been with 5.56 and one or two people having issues with 7.62x51.
I have Norc 9mm and used to have 45auto (traded it all off as partial payment for my Nightforce).
I actually like running Norc ammo through my pistols because the brass is such junk I just let it fly and don't need to worry about finding it. When I shoot quality ammo I try to find all the brass to reload.

I don't stress over it at all, I've just decided that Norinco 5.56 is too inconsistent for me to waste my time or money on.
More for you brother, pile it high :)
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What the hell is wrong with you today! Woke up on the wrong side of the bed?

Normally all you have to say about norc is that it is #### and you will not run it through anything...
 
Hitzy said:
Nork ammo is pretty ####ty stuff. Some of my CJ95 wouldn't even chamber in my bolt guns the brass was sized so far off. I'm not overly comfortable shooting it anymore
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Do your bolt guns have 5.56 cut chambers?
.223 will fit in a 5.56 chamber but not the other way around.
 
http://forum.snipershide.com/bear-pit/81858-remington-ammo-kaboom.html

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-ammunition-ballistics/32017-winchester-white-box-failure-rate.html

http://www.ksccw.com/showthread.php?t=23032 Ultramax CASE FAILURE!!

http://www.winchester.com/library/news/Pages/News-ProductWarningandRecall.aspx (dead link, winchester safety recall removed)

http://rugerforum.net/ruger-double-action/32992-catastrophic-failure-gp-100-s-b-ammunition.html Sellier and Bellot warning!

http://forums.officer.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-73377.html American Eagle ammo warning!

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum...h-round-catastrophic-frame-failure-print.html Federal ammo warning!

I would also like to warn everyone not to use ammo made by these makers, and others, as there are many stories of factory ammo failures, and they obviously make garbage. I no longer shoot my guns, as it is much too risky. I go to the range, yell "Bang!", and makes holes in the targets with a stick when I check them. My groups have shrunk, my flinch is gone, my costs are reduced, and I don't scare the fauna that like to wander onto the range. Does anyone know if me whispering bang qualifies as a silencer?
 
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