Tokarev

A'garton said:
If you reload yourself, how much per round would it cost?
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My issue is finding brass. And don't get fooled by the 223 conversion. I tried it and found you need to ream it and the rim is more shallow. Will it work? Yea, but is a pain in the butt. I lucked into a butt load of brass on armslist. I have been loading Hornady 90 grain, hollow points in .309, unique powder with excellent results.
 
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Oh, thanks for the warning, I was actually thinking about it. So I guess if there is no other option than to shoot surplus I will have to pass, I am too lazy to clean thoroughly after every time I shoot.
 
A'garton said:
Oh, thanks for the warning, I was actually thinking about it. So I guess if there is no other option than to shoot surplus I will have to pass, I am too lazy to clean thoroughly after every time I shoot.
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There are factory loads by several companies. But to find just brass can be a pain. I just like to roll my own so i keep an eye out for brass.
 
Glad this thread isn't about that dogsh$t movie starring Nicolas Kim Coppola A.K.A. Nicolas Cage.
90 minutes of my life I'll never get back.
 
Booger said:
There are factory loads by several companies. But to find just brass can be a pain. I just like to roll my own so i keep an eye out for brass.
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Budget Shooter Supply carries Starline brass for the Tokarev, and the 110gr M1 bullets that many here use.
 
Just a thought on the origins.

At first glance it looks a lot like a Browning 1903 that has been bobbed along the rear of the slide to expose the hammer. But if you look at cutaway diagrams that's where the internal design says that they are radically different designs. The Browning has parts of the action that extend down through the rear of the grip frame much like the later 1911. The Tokarev groups all the action parts and the main spring up in the rather small and easily removed action group assembly.

The Browning is also a direct blowback with a fixed barrel. The Tokarev uses a 1911'ish like link and lugs on the barrel that engage with the slide to work together to give the same delayed blowback configuration as most other center fire handguns. So another strike against the Tokarev being only a knockoff.

So they look like kissing cousins on the outside but DNA testing shows that they are from completely different parents and that the external looks are simply coincidence.

Here's the cutaway diagrams copied from world.guns.ru .

Browning 1903-
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Tokarev-
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Notice the location of the mainspring.
 
Another option would be A Norinco 213..a copy of the Tokarev TT-33 but chambered in 9mm, I got one just to see if I liked 9mm.
I haven't seen any new ones lately but a few years ago they were even cheaper than the surplus Tokarev's.
 
Skinny 1950 said:
Another option would be A Norinco 213..a copy of the Tokarev TT-33 but chambered in 9mm, I got one just to see if I liked 9mm.
I haven't seen any new ones lately but a few years ago they were even cheaper than the surplus Tokarev's.
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I have both and the barrel, spring and slide are in terchangable, done it a few times just for shts and giggles
 
Suther said:
Where did you get yours from?

The grip being so mediocre has stopped me from picking one of these up, and I haven't had any luck in finding anything for them in Canada.
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I think I got it from Frontier Firearms, but it has been a while and there has been a lot of on-line buying since then.
 
mmm...appears Epp's doesn't have anymore of the Zastava Tokarev's. they were there earlier when I was sniffing around for rifles chambered in 7.62x39.

now they just have your common fair TT-33.
 
those guns kick alot, i dont know if its me but i tried a 40s&w after a hundred rounds of tok, the 40 was like shooting a 22lr. trigger is hard but very short. the worst thing is the grip, you need to grips it hard and very high.

they shoot very good too, all 8 in the same hole.
 
pomelum said:
those guns kick alot, i dont know if its me but i tried a 40s&w after a hundred rounds of tok, the 40 was like shooting a 22lr. trigger is hard but very short. the worst thing is the grip, you need to grips it hard and very high.

they shoot very good too, all 8 in the same hole.
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I find the opposite. I find them rather mild. My daughters shoot all day with no complaints. Everything from Mil surplus to my hand loads. Where as when they shot their IMI Jerichos, In 40 cal, (which is a heavy, all metal 40) they have to take a break. I would say it is much more mild than any of my 9mm, 40 cal, or any other hand gun I own other than my 25s, 380s, 22s, etc.
 
Booger said:
I find the opposite. I find them rather mild. My daughters shoot all day with no complaints. Everything from Mil surplus to my hand loads. Where as when they shot their IMI Jerichos, In 40 cal, (which is a heavy, all metal 40) they have to take a break. I would say it is much more mild than any of my 9mm, 40 cal, or any other hand gun I own other than my 25s, 380s, 22s, etc.
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well, its either the load we're using or something is weird here...
i shot Czech on 8rnds clip, people say its the hotest load, made for PPsh machine pistol or something.
 
The two 213's I had kicked like hell. But it wasn't the gun or ammo. It was the teeny tiny grips in my big hands that caused the trouble. If the guns were set up with the bigger tokgypt style grips the gun would be just dandy to shoot.

Both were able to produce tight groups that a $1000 gun would be proud of once the barrels or barrel to slide fit burnished in.
 
Be aware that it can be a real hunt if you need parts for it. Took me months to track down the proper firing pin when mine let go at ~1600 rounds. The disconnector broke on my brother's Polish one a month or so ago and I've yet to locate one (or preferably 3).

There is a fair bit of shear stress on that firing pin, with it dragging over to the very edge of the primer pocket. I wouldn't be surprised if most fail as the round count gets up there.

In the end I don't think they're viable as a long term joymaker. I'll be getting rid of mine once I burn off my 2 crates of ammo.
 
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