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Anyone had any experience with these? Are they as slick as they say?
 
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Yes and personally think they are worth the money. Sadly that also means I'd never buy one to hunt with. I don't like the idea of safe queens either but Voere are a touch too nice to drag across the bush.
 
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Yes and personally think they are worth the money. Sadly that also means I'd never buy one to hunt with. I don't like the idea of safe queens either but Voere are a touch too nice to drag across the bush.
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I never can understand these types of comments. Why does a high quality, well finished rifle HAVE to be a safe queen?

I've hunted with a Voere Titan II for almost 20 years. They are excellent rifles. They came with a factory guarantee of 1/2" group at 100 yards with appropriate ammo (take that Gatehouse!) and have incredible triggers. They have 26" barrels (in magnum calibers).

I know they were available in the following calibers:

.257 Wby, .270 Win., 7mm RM, .308 Win., .300 WM, .300 Wby, 8x68S, .338 WM and .375 H&H. There were probably others, but it is hard to get info on these rifles.

Voere also made M98 based rifles, which aren't nearly as smooth and refined, but then again they are half the price. Mine was ~$1500 new.

The one down-side to the Titan II is weight. Mine, with a Leupold 4.5-14x40 VX-III weighs 10lbs.
 
It's funny how things change... in the 60's I bought a new Voere, the price then was $199, it was a sporter weight 22-250 and it was one of the worst shooting rifles I've ever seen...with one of the worst trigger pulls, Remington 788s were $84 and could shoot rings around the Voere! In those days 788s and 700s were far and away the most accurate rifles. Even today I'd like to shoot a Voere beside a 700 or a Savage...throw in a Blaser....I bet the 700 and the Savage would come out on top!!
 
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It's funny how things change... in the 60's I bought a new Voere, the price then was $199, it was a sporter weight 22-250 and it was one of the worst shooting rifles I've ever seen...with one of the worst trigger pulls, Remington 788s were $84 and could shoot rings around the Voere! In those days 788s and 700s were far and away the most accurate rifles. Even today I'd like to shoot a Voere beside a 700 or a Savage...throw in a Blaser....I bet the 700 and the Savage would come out on top!!
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Like I said, Voere made various models. The absolutely worst rifle, with respect to accuracy, was a Remington Model 700 BDL in 30-06 that my dad bought new in the mid-70's. Talk about a POS. The thing wouldn't group better than 3" at 100 yards with any ammo. It was funny in a way because he traded his .25-06 (Remington BDL 700) for it, and that rifle shot very well. Long story short, after many fruitless visits to the vendor, he traded it for a new Sako Finnbear. Now THAT rifle could shoot.:eek:

And yes all you Remington fans, there was probably something buggered up with the .30-06, most likely bedding. But that doesn't change the fact that a brand new rifle was a turd.

BH, you should go out and buy a Titan II, if you can find one, and try it out for yourself.
 
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the 1255 and 1265 were well made, on mauser actions. And the stocks were cool. Book value was in the $800 range for mint shape :)
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Actually the new models are 2155 and 2165 The 2165 being the "Lux" version. Would love to test drive one in 9.3x62. Not sure of prices though.
 
I have a Voere 2185 in calibre 30-06.
Pretty nice rifle, with a few oddities, match tolerance chamber, short throat.
It has a pretty cool externally adjustable trigger, and with the right ammo is very acurate....:cool:
But it sprays out any 180 bullets or heavier into a shotgun like pattern at 100yards. :eek:
Curse those Austrians, guess if they need heavier bullets than 168 grains they return to the rifle cabinet and grab thier 9.3 mms!!!!:runaway:
 
My full time big game hunting rifle is a Voere and I wish I knew more about it. I got it from my Grandpa when I was 14 to start hunting with. He had had a massive stroke years before and couldn’t talk at the time, and has since passed away. All my grandma knows about it was that grandpa was given the rifle by a German Doctor at the hospital that grandpa work at many years ago.

I will be watching this thread intently.
 
There is an old Voere for sale here in PG. It is chambered in 9.3x64 Brenneke. Unfortunately it has a repaired stock.
 
From what lttle information I recall that I have accumulated over the years,: I believe the bolt action Voeres, not sure if it is both the German and Austrian
Voere rifles, stellite is used in the chamber area. Not sure if my spelling is right, a very tough and durable steel. Also I think that these barrels are threaded identically as Mauser rifle barrels, so swapping them out is easier.

Many of the newer models, not the older "cugir" (fancy K98) have fairly large proportions into the handgrip area and many users claim, for a larger man, these rifles are a better fit.

And regarding this companies 22 LR rifles, is from what Amercan owners post, it is believed that these rimfire rifles have a kind of "squeeze bore" in other words, an ever so slight taper to the muzzle, therefore increasing accuracy, and possibly velocity....

This is all I know, and my sources, I cannot verify 100%
One thing I must add, my Voere 2185, has a very deep blueing, almost black, very much like Dan Wesson blueing, and all Voeres that I have seen, also have this quality finish from the factory.
 
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Ok guys here goes. This is a reasonably accurate history of Voere designed rifles made in West Germany. I understand there was/is another rifle company called Voere in Austria of which I know nothing about - they may have manufactered rifles based on the 98 action?? The numbers and models can be very confusing. Here is the best information to my knowledge.

Voere Shikar 1965 to 1971
Other names; Kleinguenther M-V2130A, 2130M and 2130E
Calibers; .243, .270, .300 Win Mag and .308 Norma.
plus many metric calibers.

Voere M2145 1972 to 1978
Other names; Kleinguenther K-14
Calibers; similar to above

Voere Model unknown 1978 to 1981
Other names; Kleinguenther K-15
Callibers; .243, 25-06, 257 Wby, 270, 270 Wby, 7x57, 7mm R.Mag,
30Win, 300 Wby, 308 Norma, 375 H&H plus many metric calibers.

Voere Titan II 1982 to 1986
Other names; Klienguenther K-15 Insta-Fire
Calibers; similar to above

Mauser-Werke bought out Voere in 1987. They commenced to product the Voere Titan II design in Oberndorf Germany under the following designations;

Mauser 225 Titan 1987 to present day??
Other names; Model 99
Calibers; Many USA and metric calibers.

Other information; The original Voere Shikar had a hinged floorplate. Bob Kleinguenther of Sequin Texas imported all rifles bearing the Kleinguenther name into the USA and was responsible for many design changes and improvments to the original Voere Shikar and K-14 models. All other models have a detachable magazine. All Voere & Mauser models have barrel threads identical to the Mauser 98 actions. Weaver bases #47 & #55 fit these actions. Takedown and assembly instructions can be found in the third edition of Frank de Haas's book "Bolt Action Rifles". These are well made, accurate rifles, with nicely finished wood and metal. If anyone has good information that corrects any of this or fills in some of the above blanks please pass it on. A few posts have referred to a model 2185 - is this on the 98 action or the Voere action?

I have a .270 Winchester Mauser 225 Titan in my collection. I am technically challenged otherwise I would post a photo on this site. I can send one by email at rifle@cablerocket.com.

Regards
 
Elk man

The rifles in your photos are based on the Mauser 98 action. Did they give the model number or where they were made?

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Here's a pic :) I know basically nothing of Voere rifles...just found the pic off the internet.
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Further to my original post I found the following information on the Austrian Voere company which is still in business. The Voere of Germany company is no longer in the rifle business - sold the rifle designs to Mauser-Werke.

If you thought the designation for the German Voere was complex, read the following;

Voere of Austria - rifles in current production

Model; 2185 - Semi Auto rifle in 8 American & European calibers

Model; 2185 - Match version of the above rifle

Model; 2155 - Classic K98 bolt action rifle in 13 calibers

Model; 2165 - Modern version of the 98 action

Model; LBW 20-30 - Take down bolt action with interchangeable barrels only.

Model; Tirolerin - Bolt take down with changeable barrels, stocks & bolt heads

Model; 2002 Safari XXL - Very heavy rifle in 338 Lapua, 416 & 450 Rigby,
505 Gibbs, 416 & 460 Wby

Model; VEC-91 - Unique bolt action with electronic ignition and fires
caseless ammunition
 
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