Service Rifle Calgary

scout said:
In all fairness Mike, you do know that the APRA maintains the public rifle and shotgun ranges at Homestead.
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Yes I understand that - but I'm not referring to recreational shooting.

What I'm talking about is the APRA's actions against members of the Alberta public preventing them from joining their provincial rifle association to engage in competitive sport shooting on Alberta public land set aside and designated for such use, which is clearly a separate issue. Service Conditions shooting was established within the APRA. One of the mandates of the APRA is to support that shooting.
Despite claiming to be a private organization, the APRA by definition and history is a publicly recognized representative of DCRA affiliated shooting in the province....and it utilizes public property earmarked for such shooting.

If there was sufficient evidence brought forward with the appropriate Alberta Government authorities by enough people, either through a concerted petition or via individual complaints to investigate a group who have clearly demonstrated wanton discrimination, theft, fraud, and/or any other issues deemed to go against the lease agreement, those same authorities might just reconsider the lease agreement or invoke conditions within to either cancel the lease or force conditions on the group's operation.

Pure speculation on my part though.
 
Yes BC does, and that's where Alberta Service Rifle shooters go now until the new ranges are done. I'll continue buying my BCRA membership and continue to work hard to keep people from not buying APRA memberships or supporting them in any way.

Rich
 
I probably spent enough money this year at the Jolly Miller to pay a wage or two for the year. Us Albertan oilfield guys have lots of money to burn. I also bought 20 pounds of powder and a bunch of other stuff at the Dart And Tackle store in Chilliwack. Spread the wealth around the Mission/Poco/Vancouver area as well on a Thursday road trip checking out various gun shops. Spent a grand at MDT as well, then Lazslo bought me supper. That's just one guy. Be interesting to see how much money is dumped into the local economy on a weekend shoot with 100 people.
 
beltfed said:
Yes I understand that - but I'm not referring to recreational shooting.

What I'm talking about is the APRA's actions against members of the Alberta public preventing them from joining their provincial rifle association to engage in competitive sport shooting on Alberta public land set aside and designated for such use, which is clearly a separate issue. Service Conditions shooting was established within the APRA. One of the mandates of the APRA is to support that shooting.
Despite claiming to be a private organization, the APRA by definition and history is a publicly recognized representative of DCRA affiliated shooting in the province....and it utilizes public property earmarked for such shooting.

If there was sufficient evidence brought forward with the appropriate Alberta Government authorities by enough people, either through a concerted petition or via individual complaints to investigate a group who have clearly demonstrated wanton discrimination, theft, fraud, and/or any other issues deemed to go against the lease agreement, those same authorities might just reconsider the lease agreement or invoke conditions within to either cancel the lease or force conditions on the group's operation.

Pure speculation on my part though.
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I understand that there seem to be issues, but I think that should be dealt with the DCRA. Bringing a petition to the government to have them shut down another range in Alberta will not help your cause, especially with all the other people that still shoot or hope to shoot at the range.
 
Gunnerlove said:
Most younger guys have zero interest in shooting 3x 15 round 60+minute deliberates and calling it a day. Some do but when your numbers suck market to the masses.
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We've been having some great success in the intro clinics for F-Class at Homestead and the association matches are bringing in 20-30+ shooters monthly - we're adding 2 more target frames to the 6 existing. Alberta has fielded a large number of F-Class shooters at the last World Championship and the Captain of the 2017 F-Class World Championship Team is also a shooter on Homestead. I agree with your statement, but the demographics are also linked to marriage, children and disposable income. Fortunately, we're in a spell where things are positive for a lot of younger shooters in Alberta - not having taken a poll on age, but I'd suggest that our 2013 F-Class World Championship Team at Raton NM averaged under 40 and was closer to 30.

I suggest that when starting F-Class, expect a 2 year learning curve - partly due to learning the wind/flags/mirage, but also reloading skills. We have a very competitive association with individual medal wins at the Canadian and USA Nationals, and the World Championships - we work hard and support those who wish to join the sport.
 
Sosa said:
I understand that there seem to be issues, but I think that should be dealt with the DCRA. Bringing a petition to the government to have them shut down another range in Alberta will not help your cause, especially with all the other people that still shoot or hope to shoot at the range.
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You know, despite the treatment by the APRA the sentiment that 'two wrongs don't make a right' is held by pretty much all of the ex-CSRA shooters - myself included. Knowing we would be screwing over other groups that had nothing to do with the APRA's deception holds people back.
Painting that scenario though may give present (unlikely) and future members (hopefully) who govern the APRA food for thought on the continued preservation of the gift they have, and maybe by reading my posts on the subject, prospective new members may take pause on how the APRA treat people in their sport, and organization.

It is funny though that you suggest CSRA should remain silent when it seems to me IDPA, IPSC Alberta and a host of other shooting organizations are enjoying the use of the facility at the expense of the CSRA. It would have be nice to see or hear of some form of vocal support for fellow shooters from those organizations instead of the proverbial 'bury the head in the sand' - and worse yet - holding Provincial championships at APRA ranges knowing full well they f*cked over a bunch of fellow shooters and members. Anyhow that fight was never with other disciplines save for the full-bore group who could never come to grips with sharing the 900m range.
Here's to them choking on it! Oh, and enjoy the range! You have all earned it.
 
scout said:
We've been having some great success in the intro clinics for F-Class at Homestead and the association matches are bringing in 20-30+ shooters monthly - we're adding 2 more target frames to the 6 existing. Alberta has fielded a large number of F-Class shooters at the last World Championship and the Captain of the 2017 F-Class World Championship Team is also a shooter on Homestead. I agree with your statement, but the demographics are also linked to marriage, children and disposable income. Fortunately, we're in a spell where things are positive for a lot of younger shooters in Alberta - not having taken a poll on age, but I'd suggest that our 2013 F-Class World Championship Team at Raton NM averaged under 40 and was closer to 30.

I suggest that when starting F-Class, expect a 2 year learning curve - partly due to learning the wind/flags/mirage, but also reloading skills. We have a very competitive association with individual medal wins at the Canadian and USA Nationals, and the World Championships - we work hard and support those who wish to join the sport.
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There are 6000 soldiers in Alberta, black rifles are the fastest selling firearms in Canada and there is a huge range complex the APRA can use for free. It is low hanging fruit and a great way to boost membership numbers. If BC has 800 soldiers and the BCRA can put 60-96 shooters on a range....................
 
scout said:
We've been having some great success in the intro clinics for F-Class at Homestead and the association matches are bringing in 20-30+ shooters monthly - we're adding 2 more target frames to the 6 existing. Alberta has fielded a large number of F-Class shooters at the last World Championship and the Captain of the 2017 F-Class World Championship Team is also a shooter on Homestead. I agree with your statement, but the demographics are also linked to marriage, children and disposable income. Fortunately, we're in a spell where things are positive for a lot of younger shooters in Alberta - not having taken a poll on age, but I'd suggest that our 2013 F-Class World Championship Team at Raton NM averaged under 40 and was closer to 30.

I suggest that when starting F-Class, expect a 2 year learning curve - partly due to learning the wind/flags/mirage, but also reloading skills. We have a very competitive association with individual medal wins at the Canadian and USA Nationals, and the World Championships - we work hard and support those who wish to join the sport.
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Anybody can shoot a supported rifle that weighs a ton,has a huge optic on it, and a huge time limit. Try shooting from unsupported positions after running 200,300&400m. Glad you guys get to enjoy your sport while ours is flushed down the toilet. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to try F Class one day when I'm old and want a relaxing day at the range. But until then, I'll build on the fundamentals and shoot service rifle.
 
Tenguns said:
Anybody can shoot a supported rifle that weighs a ton,has a huge optic on it, and a huge time limit. Try shooting from unsupported positions after running 200,300&400m. Glad you guys get to enjoy your sport while ours is flushed down the toilet. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to try F Class one day when I'm old and want a relaxing day at the range. But until then, I'll build on the fundamentals and shoot service rifle.
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Yup.
 
Even the NRA has accepted 3 Gun and is looking hard at revamping their Service Rifle programs.
F-Class and TR are like every shooting sport, the last 10% of performance is the hardest to master.
That said there is nothing wrong or easy regarding TR, or F-Class, or sporting clays, but they don't hold any real interest for me, or a large number of people.
 
Looking at my club membership 'interest' or what type of firearms being brought out to the range, we have 1000-1300 members. Many members are using hunting rifles. About 10% of the membership is interested in long range precision shooting (over 300 m). Out of that 10%, we have about 4-6% membership who have the equipment and the capability to shoot long range precision accurately.
Most of the membership use hunting rifle, then semi auto rifle. For the younger membership (under 40), semi auto rifle usage is increasing. Semi auto pistol usage is also growing.
 
Being in my mid-forties, I have to say I was planning for the day I would give up Service Rifle due to accumulated injury and lack of match fitness. Natural progression to F-Class and Full Bore disciplines seems to make sense and is there for the leaders in these groups to make happen - if they care to work together. Try as we did, we were simply never afforded the opportunity in Alberta due to the relentless animosity from the Full Bore group.
I still don't get the driving force behind it, and probably never will.
H. Rempel summed it up in one of our 'discussions' where he stated something to the effect 'I don't care about new shooters. I've spent my past trying to recruit people to the sport and it is a waste of time. They either shoot and compete or they don't.'
 
beltfed said:
You know, despite the treatment by the APRA the sentiment that 'two wrongs don't make a right' is held by pretty much all of the ex-CSRA shooters - myself included. Knowing we would be screwing over other groups that had nothing to do with the APRA's deception holds people back.
Painting that scenario though may give present (unlikely) and future members (hopefully) who govern the APRA food for thought on the continued preservation of the gift they have, and maybe by reading my posts on the subject, prospective new members may take pause on how the APRA treat people in their sport, and organization.

It is funny though that you suggest CSRA should remain silent when it seems to me IDPA, IPSC Alberta and a host of other shooting organizations are enjoying the use of the facility at the expense of the CSRA. It would have be nice to see or hear of some form of vocal support for fellow shooters from those organizations instead of the proverbial 'bury the head in the sand' - and worse yet - holding Provincial championships at APRA ranges knowing full well they f*cked over a bunch of fellow shooters and members. Anyhow that fight was never with other disciplines save for the full-bore group who could never come to grips with sharing the 900m range.
Here's to them choking on it! Oh, and enjoy the range! You have all earned it.
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Believe what you what to believe. I'm not suggesting that you roll over and die and never have. I'm pretty sure you have no idea of some of the things that have gone on or been said and done.

Whatever I'm not getting dragged into this again.

Sosa
 
Gunnerlove said:
There are 6000 soldiers in Alberta, black rifles are the fastest selling firearms in Canada and there is a huge range complex the APRA can use for free. It is low hanging fruit and a great way to boost membership numbers. If BC has 800 soldiers and the BCRA can put 60-96 shooters on a range....................
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If you have 6000 and counting why not Sell them memberships, find a suitable piece of land and start your own range? Not looking to start anything , just asking , I've Been involved in several of these types of endeavers ( firearms / motorsports ) over the years , I have also witnessed the end of some ranges and racetracks for various reasons , some legit and some I did not understand , the one constant that always stands out is this, you can whine and cry from the side lines which will do nothing to further your sport (it only muddies the waters and confuses any new comers) or do the hard work and get back in the game, organize your selves and make a premium facility that "others" want to be a part of.
 
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