Options for shtf / survival / home security shotgun

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Ok,
I would like to start a debate on pump vs semi / tube or mag feed shotgun for shtf/ home defense/ survival shotgun.

No brand names or model , just semi vs pump , mag feed or tube feed , pros and cons.
 
Weeelll i like the idea of a pumpgun, all the gasses stay behind the load in those. I doubt it really affects how hard the shot hits whatever you're aiming at, but it makes me feel better. With a pump gun when it comes to home defense some people will pretend the sound of you cocking it will scare the guy off. Maybe it will but i wouldn't bet on it. And i'd go mag fed just for the quick reloads, and if you're lucky someone might put some big mags on the market somewhere down the road. Can't lengthen a tube mag, that attachment's prohib. I'm sure someone will correct me on something, I'm still learnin.
 
For me the shotgun isn't my "shtf" gun... However if it were I would go pump gun. Assuming you stockpile tons of ammo go with whatever gun you like and that will run reliably with the ammo you have. Assuming you may need to scavenge and use less that idea ammo a pump will run nearly any ammo you put into it however some semi auto guns can be picky with different ammo...

I like short overall length guns so I go with pump guns so I can go down to 26" overall if I so chose. Also a pump gun can hold as many rounds as the gun can hold, semi auto is 5 rounds per our regulations. Unless you ghost load, or have a semi that is built to run 3" or 3.5" rounds...

Do a google search, this topic has been heavily discussed.

It really comes down to personal preference...
 
I have both semi and pump, and to be honest, given the recoil of a 12g, I can't get aimed shots out noticeably faster with the semi. I can get shots out faster, but not aimed shots.

And that isn't just me. If you train a ton, and I'm talking 100's of rounds a week at minimum, you'll eventually be able to get them out, aimed, faster with a semi 12g. If you practice with a pump, the shoot-rack-shoot becomes fluid quickly, and you can do it at the same time as you're bringing the barrel back on target.

Pumps are, generally, simpler and easier to maintain, and require less of it. I rarely clean my pump - at the end of the year before putting it up for the winter, and then wipe off the excess oil in the spring and shoot all spring, summer, and into the fall. My semi gets taken down and cleaned after every trip it makes to the range.

Pumps win for reliability. Always.

Pumps are ubiquitous. If you go with "one of the two" pump guns that most people end up getting sooner or later, you're more likely to be able to get spare parts down the road. Semis are far less common, and there isn't one or two big market dominating semi-auto shotguns out there. So if you're semi breaks down in a Mad Max world (or zompoc, SHTF, the illuminati shape shifting lizard alien men that are really running things or whatever floats your boat for needing a SHTF gun is), you're basically out of luck and holding a club.

Pumps will tolerate any ammo that fit in the chamber and you'll be able to cycle it. Semis do not. And by any I mean any. I keep a couple boxes of 12g flares and 12g bear bangers around. Throw a couple of each in my pocket when I'm wandering in the interior. Either one of those is far more likely to save my middle aged @ss in an emergency than actual shot is. Running a flare or banger shot through a semi falls under the category of a special kind of stupid.

Capacity: Because of the laws here, you can set up your capacity in advance with a pump - no limits. For a semi, you're limited to 5 rounds, and if you even get caught with the parts for making it otherwise, you're in for a potential 3 year free room and board at club fed.

Tube or mag: Tube. Again, it's about simplicity and reliability, and tubes win on both counts. Also, for my bush load, I only load 3 in the tube and leave the chamber empty, even though I can load 4. While I have yet to actually need to put it into practice, my thinking is along these lines: two slugs in, then a 00 - so the 00 comes out first in an emergency when I don't have time to aim as well as I might like, then follow up with 2 slugs. Any problem (bear) I come across that needs more than that, well.... Bears are faster than you think, the odds of being able to even get off all 3 of those shots are slim. That leaves room to quickly throw in a banger and rack and shoot it if the bear is closer than I would like it to be, but far enough away I don't want to shoot it needlessly (in the 75-125 yard range... Further than that, just leave it alone and hope it wanders off). Under 75 yards, I'm racking a live round and hoping it doesn't charge.

Someone will come along and pick apart everything I've just said, point by point. Have at it, always willing to listen to an idea that might be better than my own.
 
Weeelll i like the idea of a pumpgun, all the gasses stay behind the load in those. I doubt it really affects how hard the shot hits whatever you're aiming at, but it makes me feel better. With a pump gun when it comes to home defense some people will pretend the sound of you cocking it will scare the guy off. Maybe it will but i wouldn't bet on it. And i'd go mag fed just for the quick reloads, and if you're lucky someone might put some big mags on the market somewhere down the road. Can't lengthen a tube mag, that attachment's prohib. I'm sure someone will correct me on something, I'm still learnin.

No, not prohib on a pump gun, and tube extensions are widely available.
 
I would/do go with a pump for the reasons already mentioned. More reliable, can feed them any kind of ammo, low to zero maintenance required. I prefer tube fed as well, that way you always have your mag attached directly to your gun, no big and awkward 12g mags to carry around and possibly lose. You can always top up your tube fed gun as you go along.
That being said, I also love semi auto shotguns. Lots of fun, and if it's what I had, well you run what you brung right?
 
On the home security front, I think it's better to use your typical plain jane hunting shotgun as well. If you ever did have the miss fortune of having to use it, it's better to look like a lowly scared farmer or hunter than a mall ninja when the police arrive.
 
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just in case 14 zombies show up at once...
 
the best essay i've ever read on which shotgun and why!

I think grelmar's a genius. I've never read a more eloquent piece on cgn.


I have both semi and pump, and to be honest, given the recoil of a 12g, I can't get aimed shots out noticeably faster with the semi. I can get shots out faster, but not aimed shots.

And that isn't just me. If you train a ton, and I'm talking 100's of rounds a week at minimum, you'll eventually be able to get them out, aimed, faster with a semi 12g. If you practice with a pump, the shoot-rack-shoot becomes fluid quickly, and you can do it at the same time as you're bringing the barrel back on target.

Pumps are, generally, simpler and easier to maintain, and require less of it. I rarely clean my pump - at the end of the year before putting it up for the winter, and then wipe off the excess oil in the spring and shoot all spring, summer, and into the fall. My semi gets taken down and cleaned after every trip it makes to the range.

Pumps win for reliability. Always.

Pumps are ubiquitous. If you go with "one of the two" pump guns that most people end up getting sooner or later, you're more likely to be able to get spare parts down the road. Semis are far less common, and there isn't one or two big market dominating semi-auto shotguns out there. So if you're semi breaks down in a Mad Max world (or zompoc, SHTF, the illuminati shape shifting lizard alien men that are really running things or whatever floats your boat for needing a SHTF gun is), you're basically out of luck and holding a club.

Pumps will tolerate any ammo that fit in the chamber and you'll be able to cycle it. Semis do not. And by any I mean any. I keep a couple boxes of 12g flares and 12g bear bangers around. Throw a couple of each in my pocket when I'm wandering in the interior. Either one of those is far more likely to save my middle aged @ss in an emergency than actual shot is. Running a flare or banger shot through a semi falls under the category of a special kind of stupid.

Capacity: Because of the laws here, you can set up your capacity in advance with a pump - no limits. For a semi, you're limited to 5 rounds, and if you even get caught with the parts for making it otherwise, you're in for a potential 3 year free room and board at club fed.

Tube or mag: Tube. Again, it's about simplicity and reliability, and tubes win on both counts. Also, for my bush load, I only load 3 in the tube and leave the chamber empty, even though I can load 4. While I have yet to actually need to put it into practice, my thinking is along these lines: two slugs in, then a 00 - so the 00 comes out first in an emergency when I don't have time to aim as well as I might like, then follow up with 2 slugs. Any problem (bear) I come across that needs more than that, well.... Bears are faster than you think, the odds of being able to even get off all 3 of those shots are slim. That leaves room to quickly throw in a banger and rack and shoot it if the bear is closer than I would like it to be, but far enough away I don't want to shoot it needlessly (in the 75-125 yard range... Further than that, just leave it alone and hope it wanders off). Under 75 yards, I'm racking a live round and hoping it doesn't charge.

Someone will come along and pick apart everything I've just said, point by point. Have at it, always willing to listen to an idea that might be better than my own.
 
I have both semi and pump, and to be honest, given the recoil of a 12g, I can't get aimed shots out noticeably faster with the semi. I can get shots out faster, but not aimed shots.

And that isn't just me. If you train a ton, and I'm talking 100's of rounds a week at minimum, you'll eventually be able to get them out, aimed, faster with a semi 12g. If you practice with a pump, the shoot-rack-shoot becomes fluid quickly, and you can do it at the same time as you're bringing the barrel back on target.

Pumps are, generally, simpler and easier to maintain, and require less of it. I rarely clean my pump - at the end of the year before putting it up for the winter, and then wipe off the excess oil in the spring and shoot all spring, summer, and into the fall. My semi gets taken down and cleaned after every trip it makes to the range.

Pumps win for reliability. Always.

Pumps are ubiquitous. If you go with "one of the two" pump guns that most people end up getting sooner or later, you're more likely to be able to get spare parts down the road. Semis are far less common, and there isn't one or two big market dominating semi-auto shotguns out there. So if you're semi breaks down in a Mad Max world (or zompoc, SHTF, the illuminati shape shifting lizard alien men that are really running things or whatever floats your boat for needing a SHTF gun is), you're basically out of luck and holding a club.

Pumps will tolerate any ammo that fit in the chamber and you'll be able to cycle it. Semis do not. And by any I mean any. I keep a couple boxes of 12g flares and 12g bear bangers around. Throw a couple of each in my pocket when I'm wandering in the interior. Either one of those is far more likely to save my middle aged @ss in an emergency than actual shot is. Running a flare or banger shot through a semi falls under the category of a special kind of stupid.

Capacity: Because of the laws here, you can set up your capacity in advance with a pump - no limits. For a semi, you're limited to 5 rounds, and if you even get caught with the parts for making it otherwise, you're in for a potential 3 year free room and board at club fed.

Tube or mag: Tube. Again, it's about simplicity and reliability, and tubes win on both counts. Also, for my bush load, I only load 3 in the tube and leave the chamber empty, even though I can load 4. While I have yet to actually need to put it into practice, my thinking is along these lines: two slugs in, then a 00 - so the 00 comes out first in an emergency when I don't have time to aim as well as I might like, then follow up with 2 slugs. Any problem (bear) I come across that needs more than that, well.... Bears are faster than you think, the odds of being able to even get off all 3 of those shots are slim. That leaves room to quickly throw in a banger and rack and shoot it if the bear is closer than I would like it to be, but far enough away I don't want to shoot it needlessly (in the 75-125 yard range... Further than that, just leave it alone and hope it wanders off). Under 75 yards, I'm racking a live round and hoping it doesn't charge.

Someone will come along and pick apart everything I've just said, point by point. Have at it, always willing to listen to an idea that might be better than my own.

Solid post.
 
Not supposed to name brands and people say pump is more reliable, but those that say that don't have a M4. Its the best home defense/cqb gun ever. I trust my M4 to protect my family.
 
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