Rossi Ranch Hands - why the huge price bracket?

Did some more shooting today and I was pleasantly surprised by the Zranch Hand. Shoots to point of aim if I put the bead in the bottom of the buckhorn. Still going to replace the rear sight but may not need to replace the front.

While it is much more difficult to shoot than a handgun, I would hunt with it within bow hunting ranges.

I would carry it for defense in areas that I don't expect to need a defensive weapon. :)
 
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I'm shooting from standing positon, no rest.

4 shots from 300gr XTP 20.5gr LilGun 2 pairs. :)
Both pairs are to the left.

3 shots of 240gr cast with 6gr Trailboss 2 in the middle and one too low

Then 3 shots, rapidfire with the XTP loads.

I woudl say the gun fires to POA, if using the lowest part of the rear sight. I also think it may be quite accurate, the limiting factor being the shooter and the difficulty of shooting this gun
 
In tight quarters, say inside 50 yds......plopped critter. A few more sessions (10+ within 2 wks. of season) should cut the group size in half. If that don't work, a proper butt stock & sight arrangement will help big time.;)
 
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In tight quarters, say inside 50 yds......plopped critter. A few more sessions (10+ within 2 wks. of season) should cut the group size in half. If that don't work, a proper butt stock & sight arrangement will help big time.;)

No butt stock will be going on this firearm. :)

Now it's just a matter of making up some more 300gr XTP loads and getting more consistent with the hold. There is a big black bear that I've seen hanging around that might need to be targeted. :)
 
I had been shooting it with my arms extended. Kinda awkward, so I decided to try shooting it with the stock pressed against my cheek, where it would be held if it had a full stock. Much easier to aim although I could see getting whacked in the teeth if you weren't careful :)
 
Range day tomorrow with for the .44 for me. Don't see myself holding it up to my face though. Think I will run some more traditional 44-40 equivalent hand loads through it too. Keeping on topic, P&D is asking $555
 
I had been shooting it with my arms extended. Kinda awkward, so I decided to try shooting it with the stock pressed against my cheek, where it would be held if it had a full stock. Much easier to aim although I could see getting whacked in the teeth if you weren't careful :)

The Push-Pull method works good for me.
 
I was using the push pull with that blue sillhoute target posted. Today I tried the cheek and got a decent 3" group at 25 yards. Only problem is that the buttplate has sharp edges and it scuffs my delicate cheek a bit. Maybe some sandpaper is in order. :)

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I had been shooting it with my arms extended. Kinda awkward, so I decided to try shooting it with the stock pressed against my cheek, where it would be held if it had a full stock. Much easier to aim although I could see getting whacked in the teeth if you weren't careful :)

That's the way I shoot mine for the best accuracy....it's actually surprisingly good.
 
OK a bit off topic, but as this is the current RH thread, and is going this way anyway... no pics from the trip, but performance was reasonable with push-pull method achieving hand gun sized groups at 25yds after a bit of getting used to the gun. As a Canada legal bush hand gun, it performs exactly as I would hope, and in a defensive situation I would not hesitate to use the RH as-is (some cleaning up of the action aside). Mine was close to POA with the bead at the bottom of the buck horns, acceptable for now, but I will be getting the Steve's peep safety replacement. Factory AE 240gn JHP had occasional jams, but not more than I expected from the gun right out of the box. Certainly room for improvement but not at all disappointed. I did have the Chrony with me as a friend wanted to check out some of his handloads. To that extent I measured the AE loads the be running 1600 to 1625 fps, while my friends loads of 23gn 2400 under a 240gn LRN pulled 1720's.
 
The Rossi Ranch Hand is way, way over priced in Canada.
I bought a Rossi Ranch Hand in 44 Mag and returned it to the store defective a couple of years ago.
It was a piece of junk and wouldn't cycle ammo. The workmanship was lousy.
Bought a Chiappa Mare's Leg take down with a 12" barrel in the same caliber a week later and have had it ever since.
It cost over $900 but a MUCH MUCH better gun in regards to machining, fit and finish, smoothness, the whole 9 yards than the Rossi and I can break it down into 3 pieces and carry it in a normal sized business brief case which you can't do wiith the Ranch Hand and there's no stupid lawyers safety on the thing.
 
Yes, they are a way nicer piece out of the box. Drooled heavily over one back in May, but no luck in .44 right now and Rossi just fit the budget better. I have no problems putting time and work into my guns. There are a lot of 92 Rossi rifles in the CAS camps, where they need to work right every time. That is evidence that they can be slicked up and are just as good a firearm with some TLC, and I guess that is the difference in cost. Pretty sure I can get this Rossi to out perform an off the shelf Chiappa for less than the $400 difference, just won't be as pretty, but I'll have fun tweaking it.
 
Had my new .357 (thanks Dante's!) out this weekend.

The bad:

1) It would not feed anything, Period. The gun had been test fired at the factory (and not cleaned, of course), but they must have single-loaded it by hand. The elevator (or some call it a carrier?) was jamming against the loading port extension, preventing the cartridge from lining up with the chamber because the elevator was coming only half way up. A minor problem that can be solved with a few file strokes and some emery paper, but sad to get a gun right out of the box that couldn't be cycled all the way open and couldn't feed a single cartridge. If affordable .357 Ranch Hands were't so hard to find, I'd have sent it back. I had to single-load it for grouping tests.

2) I have what appears to be one of the new taller front sights. The problem is that at 25 yards, it's still not quite tall enough. I like to shoot with a centre hold, but using this hold, the gun shot 8" or so too high using .38 SWC's. Actually, the sight might be tall enough, but the rear would need to be lower than the lowest notch. I have a lower Marbles rear sight on the way, along with a higher front post that I may (or may not) need.

3) The Saddle ring has to go. It's no friend to a lefty like me and is so totally useless on this gun for anyone who does not own a horse.

The good:

1) Handled better than I thought. The cosmetic fit and finish was better than the last Rossi I looked at a few years ago - they have definitely gotten cosmetically better in recent years. There is some internal flashing and burring that needs clean-up, but nothing too bad. To be honest, I've had two chiappa 92's and they were no better. Both of those rifles had issues, in one case the barrel dovetails were machined so poorly I had to return it. In the other case, the take-down was so loose the front end wobbled no matter how tight the magazine was screwed in. Of course, neither gun is as nice as my Miroku Winchester 92, but Moroku doesn't make one this short - sadly.

2) It's a shooter! This group is about 1", shot from a rest with a low 6 o'clock hold at exactly 25 yards as measured with a laser range finder. Using cheap factory reloaded Centaure lead SWC's from the old Cenury Arms in Montreal. It's old ammo I've had sitting on a shelf for a long while. I could do better with better regulated sights, I was aiming about 1" lower than the bottom of the black bull.



This next group (at the top of the target, 5 shots, about 6 inch spread) was shot free-hand, same ammo, also 25 yards, centre-hold using push-pull. It was my first attempt with this gun and the group size shows it - lol.





Today, I pulled it all apart and ground off the riveted-over inner legs of the saddle ring and pulled that (mercifully) off the gun. Next week when in town, I'll pick up some plug screws and tap the holes so I can fill them. I also properly fitted the loading port door and polished the side of the cartridge elevator where it passes the door extension. It now feeds .38''s well, though it's a bit temperamental with .357's yet. Best I can do though until I get a lighter ejector spring in the mail (that I already ordered). All the internals were de-burred. It now also cycles a lot smoother.

New sights, a metal magazine follower, reduced power ejector spring, and a holster are en-route. No real regrets picking up this fun little gun for carrying around the acreage.

I also may yet re-shape that HUGE loop. It's just stupid big. What was Rossi thinking? I'd like it big enough for gloves, but half the size it is now.
 
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Yes, they are a way nicer piece out of the box. Drooled heavily over one back in May, but no luck in .44 right now and Rossi just fit the budget better. I have no problems putting time and work into my guns. There are a lot of 92 Rossi rifles in the CAS camps, where they need to work right every time. That is evidence that they can be slicked up and are just as good a firearm with some TLC, and I guess that is the difference in cost. Pretty sure I can get this Rossi to out perform an off the shelf Chiappa for less than the $400 difference, just won't be as pretty, but I'll have fun tweaking it.

I have one of the old pre Br#####h, pre safety Amadeo Rossi 20" bbl carbines in 454 Casull that I bought before the Taurus company got involved with Rossi.
It seems to be a much higher quality piece than the Rossi rifles I see on the new gun racks today with much better fit/finish and no redundant toggle switch safety on top of the bolt.
The finish on the new guns is crap and looks like shoe polish. It even washes off in the rain.
That's kinda pathetic considering the money they are now asking for those things.
 
I have one of the old pre Br#####h, pre safety Amadeo Rossi 20" bbl carbines in 454 Casull that I bought before the Taurus company got involved with Rossi.
It seems to be a much higher quality piece than the Rossi rifles I see on the new gun racks today with much better fit/finish and no redundant toggle switch safety on top of the bolt.
The finish on the new guns is crap and looks like shoe polish. It even washes off in the rain.
That's kinda pathetic considering the money they are now asking for those things.

I wonder what batch you compared yours to? In my experience, if anything, the finish has recently gotten better. That said, I'd LOVE one of the new stainless trapper carbines (16") in either 454 or 44.

I thought I'd hate the safety, but so far I honestly think I might like it. It lets me block the firing pin when unloading which is not that bad an idea. It's also safer for holster carry than just relying on the half-####. Similarly, I thought I would hate the hammer lock, but so far I've used it a few times when I forgot to bring a trigger lock transporting after dark.
 
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