Diemaco C8 worth the price?

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For the price of the components, just based on that alone, not worth the price...maybe half that.
For nostalgia, to have the D on there, you are paying about $1000 basically.
Diemaco sold shop in 2005....these are not, and never will be Diemaco rifles.
I don't get the appeal at all.
 
It's embarrassing some folks will try and save a handful of hundred dollar bills and avoid the opportunity to support our industry here at home. Buying a Colt Canada is one of the biggest votes you can make for our sport, politically, commercially, and socially. So many of the walmart crowd couldn't care less if their gun came from a country that doesn't even let its own citizens own it. It's pathetic and that's what many here are getting at, we have a huge opportunity to support CANADA within our sport and it's not a choice, it's a downright responsibility. Buy Colt Canada. Buy PGW. Buy Dlask. Buy NEA. Buy Canadian period, we are blessed to have this industry budding, SUPPORT IT!
 
Hitzy said:
For the price of the components, just based on that alone, not worth the price...maybe half that.
For nostalgia, to have the D on there, you are paying about $1000 basically.
Diemaco sold shop in 2005....these are not, and never will be Diemaco rifles.
I don't get the appeal at all.
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You don't have to "get the appeal", so who gives a sh*t really?

Too many people trying to force their ideology upon people. "I don't like it, and neither should you" We get it, you snub your nose at it, people who want them, and people who own them. Snobbery at it's finest. "See that guy down there? He has a Diemaco. Let's share our distaste towards his choice of AR-15. Let's make sure he knows that we are "better" than him for not purchasing it"

Worth it? Yes to some, no to others... Choice is the flavour of life.

I choose to desire one. If you don't like it, deal with it.
 
Of course, so many people decide that it's emabrrassing or wrong not to buy a CC rfile.Even Greentips. Great. So lock the thread. Delete it. Go ahead. A usual CGN sh1tfest where it turns into my way or the highway. Unreal. For the record, I have no quarrel with the price. I may still buy one, I'm deliberating. I don't have any reason to force my choice on anyone. But, can't we discuss it?
 
Ardent said:
It's embarrassing some folks will try and save a handful of hundred dollar bills and avoid the opportunity to support our industry here at home. Buying a Colt Canada is one of the biggest votes you can make for our sport, politically, commercially, and socially. So many of the walmart crowd couldn't care less if their gun came from a country that doesn't even let its own citizens own it. It's pathetic and that's what many here are getting at, we have a huge opportunity to support CANADA within our sport and it's not a choice, it's a downright responsibility. Buy Colt Canada. Buy PGW. Buy Dlask. Buy NEA. Buy Canadian period, we are blessed to have this industry budding, SUPPORT IT!
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Not a couple hundred. More like a full thousand. I'm not saying the cc rifle is bad. Far from it, I am sure it is a wonderful well made ar. But there are a couple of manufacturers out there that chuck out some excellent ars for at least 500 less.
I will buy a product that meets my requirements for performance and quality. Where it is made is of no concern to me. A PGW I very well might get, or maybe I might get an accuracy international. Why a pgw? It is priced competitively for its segment. I have Dlask products, same reason, NEA I have nothing from them, if they have a competitive product in the future that I am looking for I will buy from them.

I'm not going to buy something because it is canadian. This is supposedly a limited run of 490. Whoever bought them, enjoy, you made a fine choice.

If the next batch is priced nicely then maybe I will get one. I am seeing a recurring trend here, the only quarrel is over whether this rifle is fairly priced, and the general consensus is nyet. For those that want one, get one, those who don't want one, don't get one.

Factually the rifle isn't good value. That doesn't mean it isn't a great rifle.
 
Yep, and you still don't get what it means to buy a Canadian product, in our small Canadian industry. Supporting Canadian workers jobs, that when the legislators seek to ban rifles that is critical. If you really think or expect a small plant in Canada, paying real wages, is going to compete with a US mass production plant or worse China (you seem to suggest US however) you've missed the point completely. This isn't about specs, this is about an excellent AR that is made HERE, by Canadians. Yes, that costs more, and rightfully so. Buy local is dead in this country, and it's like trying to talk to a Liberal about gun control; it just doesn't compute and a bunch of folks keep going back to, "But I don't see the value. I can get that cheaper…" That's not the bloody point now of a homegrown rifle, is it. There is a damn right pride of ownership in owning a Canadian product and supporting our fellow Canadians, in our little industry and group. Those that can't even recognize that and keep going back to "…but the value" are a lost cause.
 
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Yep, and you still don't get what it means to buy a Canadian product, in our small Canadian industry. Supporting Canadian workers jobs, that when the legislators seek to ban rifles that is critical. If you really think or expect a small plant in Canada, paying real wages, is going to compete with a US mass production plant or worse China (you seem to suggest US however) you've missed the point completely. This isn't about specs, this is about an excellent AR that is made HERE, by Canadians. Yes, that costs more, and rightfully so. Buy local is dead in this country, and it's like trying to talk to a Liberal about gun control; it just doesn't compute and a bunch of folks keep going back to, "But I don't see the value. I can get that cheaper…" That's not the bloody point now of a homegrown rifle, is it. There is a damn right pride of ownership in owning a Canadian product and supporting our fellow Canadians, in our little industry and group. Those that can't even recognize that and keep going back to "…but the value" are a lost cause.
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Ardent said:
Yep, and you still don't get what it means to buy a Canadian product, in our small Canadian industry. Supporting Canadian workers jobs, that when the legislators seek to ban rifles that is critical. If you really think or expect a small plant in Canada, paying real wages, is going to compete with a US mass production plant or worse China (you seem to suggest US however) you've missed the point completely. This isn't about specs, this is about an excellent AR that is made HERE, by Canadians. Yes, that costs more, and rightfully so. Buy local is dead in this country, and it's like trying to talk to a Liberal about gun control; it just doesn't compute and a bunch of folks keep going back to, "But I don't see the value. I can get that cheaper…" That's not the bloody point now of a homegrown rifle, is it. There is a damn right pride of ownership in owning a Canadian product and supporting our fellow Canadians, in our little industry and group. Those that can't even recognize that and keep going back to "…but the value" are a lost cause.
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The problem with this argument is that we aren't supporting Colt Canada, we are supporting Korth who are charging an extra $500+ per rifle in the hopes of taking advantage of our patriotism. I would LOVE to own one of these rifles and a HUGE part of that is because it is Canadian made. But I will NOT be taken advantage of. That's the issue people are having with this rifle and the reason these threads keep popping up. We all want one. Had CC and Korth priced these appropriately they'd be flying off the shelves. Christ, they'd out sell Norincos. But most people's patriotism starts to wane when they see something is so grossly overpriced.

A lot of people refuse to go anywhere else for their coffee but Tim Horton's because they are (were?) a Canadian company. If Timmy's starting charging $10 a cup that would change in a heart beat.

With all that being said, I'm really glad to hear that CC is coming through with their mil/LEO discount. I don't qualify for it but many here do and I'm happy for them.
 
Something to note on the "is it worth it" point. I imagine that for the money if one were to purchase one they would expect it to be an accurate representation of the rifles used be the CAF, only in semi-auto.
I had a chance to handle one of these beautiful rifles yesterday and it looked like the "simon sleeve" on the SA15.7 does not match the dimensions of the CAF version. I will have a chance to line them up side by side to confirm in a few days, but I have a significant amount of trigger time on the C8A3 and I'm nearly certain that it is different.
 
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Something to note on the "is it worth it" point. I imagine that for the money if one were to purchase one they would expect it to be an accurate representation of the rifles used be the CAF, only in semi-auto.
I had a chance to handle one of these beautiful rifles yesterday and it looked like the "simon sleeve" on the SA15.7 does not match the dimensions of the CAF version. I will have a chance to line them up side by side to confirm in a few days, but I have a significant amount of trigger time on the C8A3 and I'm nearly certain that it is different.
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Actually, it is identical in every way. There are actually three sleeves produced: a simon sleeve, a suppressor sleeve, and an M203A1 sleeve. The CF does not use the simon sleeve. The C8A3 uses the M203A1 sleeve which is machined from pre-hardened steel to resist the recoil and counter recoil of the 40 mm LV, and phosphate to the MILSPEC. Despite the fact that commercial users will never have an M203A1, there are no "commercial" versions made from mild steel like the counterfeit copies. The only difference in the barrel assembly is the M4 extension that will allow for better use of non-NATO standard commercial ammunition. The phosphate is identical, the heavy chrome, rifling, barrel markings, cold rotary hammer forged barrel, front sight forging, flash hider and improved 5.56 mm carbine chamber are all identical to the CAF version. The proof marks and makers marks are identical to current military production.

The only differences are:

The semi-auto only parts: disconnect, hammer, selector, lower receiver pocket, and the early commercial AR15 style carrier made to the Colt's drawings from a Canadian MILSPEC carrier. The selector is a Colt commercial semi-auto. The hammer is made from a standard C7/8 hammer, and the trigger and springs (and nearly every other component) is identical.
Deletion of the CF extended cocking handle and ambi-mag release;
Black MILSPEC glass fibre filled furniture, as green is no longer in production;
The police and export sling plate as the CF plate is no longer in production;
M4 MIL-STD-1913 upper and extension to allow for commercial ammunition and non-weaver scopes. Weaver scopes will still fit, but 1913 scopes would not fit on a Weaver upper;
The commercial Diemaco markings.
 
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Ardent said:
It's embarrassing some folks will try and save a handful of hundred dollar bills and avoid the opportunity to support our industry here at home. Buying a Colt Canada is one of the biggest votes you can make for our sport, politically, commercially, and socially.
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So where's the support of troops in this, socially and economically? Not everyone can or wishes to play Prince of Creditland. Part of the problem is us when we openly claim we will "pay anything" for some gun. We see it time and time again and dealers have whole threads to wind up enthusiasm and the price for new items. To top it off we have people lording over others with their purchases, as if this rifle is techically better than many others for less. I will probably buy one nonetheless. To each his own, but let's not turn it into a noble lecture.
 
Ardent said:
It's embarrassing some folks will try and save a handful of hundred dollar bills and avoid the opportunity to support our industry here at home. Buying a Colt Canada is one of the biggest votes you can make for our sport, politically, commercially, and socially. So many of the walmart crowd couldn't care less if their gun came from a country that doesn't even let its own citizens own it. It's pathetic and that's what many here are getting at, we have a huge opportunity to support CANADA within our sport and it's not a choice, it's a downright responsibility. Buy Colt Canada. Buy PGW. Buy Dlask. Buy NEA. Buy Canadian period, we are blessed to have this industry budding, SUPPORT IT!
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+1

You've articulate my thoughts in a less course way. Thank you.

It's the Walmart crowd and short-sighted fools looking only at the bottom line in their purchases that have driven away industry, and these same people will then go complain about low wages when the only jobs left are in fast food service and retail for slave wages.

I have only an average income but will make the effort to save up for a Colt Canada rifle. I'm 50% there already, but I've spent the time saving my pennies instead of moaning on the internet.
 
Matt K said:
Actually, it is identical in every way. There are actually three sleeves produced: a simon sleeve, a suppressor sleeve, and an M203A1 sleeve. The CF does not use the simon sleeve. The C8A3 uses the M203A1 sleeve which is machined from pre-hardened steel to resist the recoil and counter recoil of the 40 mm LV, and phosphate to the MILSPEC. Despite the fact that commercial users will never have an M203A1, there are no "commercial" versions made from mild steel like the counterfeit copies. The only difference in the barrel assembly is the M4 extension that will allow for better use of non-NATO standard commercial ammunition. The phosphate is identical, the heavy chrome, rifling, barrel markings, cold rotary hammer forged barrel, front sight forging, flash hider and improved 5.56 mm carbine chamber are all identical to the CAF version. The proof marks and makers marks are identical to current military production.

The only differences are:

The semi-auto only parts: disconnect, hammer, selector, lower receiver pocket, and the early commercial AR15 style carrier made to the Colt's drawings from a Canadian MILSPEC carrier. The selector is a Colt commercial semi-auto. The hammer is made from a standard C7/8 hammer, and the trigger and springs (and nearly every other component) is identical.
Deletion of the CF extended cocking handle and ambi-mag release;
Black MILSPEC glass fibre filled furniture, as green is no longer in production;
The police and export sling plate as the CF plate is no longer in production;
M4 MIL-STD-1913 upper and extension to allow for commercial ammunition and non-weaver scopes. Weaver scopes will still fit, but 1913 scopes would not fit on a Weaver upper;
The commercial Diemaco markings.
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Thanks for the run-down. Does Colt Canada plan to make some of the CF-spec parts available to collectors?
 
Those that want to shirk a commitment to Canada and the Canadian firearms industry will find any loophole to talk it down, like distributor markup (still a Canadian firearms industry company, champs). Common sense would indicate to anyone buying ARs built by a company with as much history as Colt Canada means ten times to our sport what a Norinco does, and it's a gun you can be rightfully proud to own. It will NEVER compete with a rifle assembled by a $7.25 an hour labourer in South Carolina. They shouldn't be expected to either. Buying Colt Canada, or PGW, or any Canadian maker means a lot more than just buying a gun. An entire generation or more has forgotten what it means to support the home team and it's not sad, it's shameful.
 
Broad assumption that folks don't own multiple Canadian made ARs already. It also skirts the main issue: Is this supportive pricing for the majority of troops- yes or no? The Para-Ord CF Appreciation package was significantly cheaper once proof of service established. What's 'shameful' is gun owners loving high prices so they can feel 'elite'. Less guns in the hands of people is a worse thing by far.
 
Deckard said:
Broad assumption that folks don't own multiple Canadian made ARs already. It also skirts the main issue: Is this supportive pricing for the majority of troops- yes or no? The Para-Ord CF Appreciation package was significantly cheaper once proof of service established. What's 'shameful' is gun owners loving high prices so they can feel 'elite'. Less guns in the hands of people is a worse thing by far.
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Take initiative and go manufacture a Canadian AR offering the same features and quality at a more competitive price. Contracting a clone to a Chinese slave factory with a landed price point of $600 is easy. You just fire off a few emails.

Try to make something within Canada and turn a profit now with appalling things like living wages, taxes, insurance, employee pension contributions etc.
 
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