Adjusting a set trigger in Voere Kufstein...need some help please

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Hi guys,

I have an issue with a Voere Kufstein 7X57 bolt gun with a set trigger. I discovered it accidentally (empty), and it is a dangerous condition which I want to fix. It has a very long normal, straight pull, but when you push forward on the trigger, it fires. I have pulled the action out and as this is my first set trigger, I need some help in setting it up. It is a single set trigger.

Thank you

Paul

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Other than a weight of pull adjustment and the tang safety with two stops.. that trigger looks to be a standard M98 trigger group .. perhaps with the addition of what appears to be a bolt locking device/plate? I dont "believe" this is designed as a single set trigger. In any event you should get it to a gunsmith if you are having discharges when "you push forward on the trigger, it fires"
 
If you take any standard military Mauser out of the wood, it is possible to fire it by pushing the trigger forward. What prevents this from happening when the gun is assembled is the forward edge of the slot in the trigger guard. Yours is highly modified, but the sear and trigger itself are not so far removed from the basic military model, except there is no 2-stage "slack".

The simplest solution would be to find a competent gunsmith, and have a small pin placed in the trigger slot to prevent forward movement. I'll try to find a pic that I can post.

Edit: I have to agree with AP, that this is not a set trigger, just a military trigger modified to remove the military 2-stage take-up. Sorry for the poor photo, but I had to steal this one from one of my books. If you look at the trigger slot you'll see the pin I'm referring to.

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Baribal said:
Contact Voere cirect, your trigger model is K98-FF

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excellent Baribal - well that would make it a single stage and not a single "set" trigger. Kilohertz .. there is a pin that the finger lever is suspended from...it appears to be displaced.. if you push it in flush and ensure it engages the mating hole on the other side ... does the trigger still malfunction? In any event as Baribal recommends contact Voere. I have found them to be terrific to deal with in the past!!


9.3Mauser ....it is possible to fire it by pushing the trigger forward.
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I did not know that ... I always assumed the sear inside dimensions prevented the trigger from rocking back to far...AND I never tried to drop the striker on a cocked 98 action when it was removed from the trigger guard. that's very good to know!
 
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Boys,

Thank you for the excellent info. Much appreciated. Just got in from a days work swapping engines in my car...halfway through. Finish it tomorrow.

Let me digest all the info here and I'll reply as soon as I can. Looks like I may need to do some work to make this safe again.

Cheers
 
Kilohertz ... incidentally I am going to bet money that the hair spring we see in the second photo on the right is not where it should be. I believe that the bottom "hook" on the spring is supposed to apply constant pressure to the little plate that pivots on the same pin (with circlip) that the spring is mounted on. If this is correct then the other end of the spring seems to be misplaced and is caught under the forward end of the sear between the action and the sear (near that round projection that contains the main sear spring)

I would suggest that the right upper end of the spring should repositioned to a place further down and under the front of the sear. Again I think that plate is some sort of bolt lock and when the safety is engaged it presses against the bottom of the plate which swings up and applies the locking plate in some fashion against the bolt...when the safety is not on that spring forces the plate to pivot out of the bolt raceway... If I am correct (and I have never examined this particular rifle so this is ALL speculation!!!) there may be additional issues with opening and closing the bolt ... fwiw.
 
AP,

I was wondering about that little spring and the triangle piece. It doesn't appear to have any function the way it is, action by gravity only. I will check it out, try your suggestions for spring placement and let you know.

I started chasing down the link Baribal gave me and got into reading all about Voere...amazing how much time you can spend reading and being distracted from what you should be doing. :rolleyes: Quite a history.

I'll post some pics of the whole rifle tomorrow. It's a pretty nice piece. Looking forward to putting on a new scope and sighting it in and then...walking the bush with my son and his 6.5x55 M38 Swede. Tracking down some 7x57 brass and dies...should have some for the weekend.

Cheers
 
I started chasing down the link Baribal gave me and got into reading all about Voere...amazing how much time you can spend reading and being distracted from what you should be doing. :rolleyes: Quite a history.
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yes and they know how to make accurate rifles. My Voere is a 2185 (self loader) and I am VERY pleased with it. I had one small issue that I contacted the factory for .. corresponded with a very polite lady who asked me to return the relevant part and agree to pay return shipping (which was very reasonable since I had the rifle for several years). They fixed it up like new and sent it back .. NO CHARGE except a very modest shipping invoice. I was/am impressed!
I managed to stumble across an article about your rifle that was very complimentary about it! Hope things work out for you and keep us posted.
 
It's either a 2155 or a 2165. The 2155 is more of a basic model while the 2165 is the the Deluxe one. If it's "older" then, it's the plain military action, but scrubbed.
While there's a lot of available options, the 2155 is usually found with a bolt shroud mounted safety and a plainer stock. Often, it gets a plug in the safety's location and is fitted with a tang safety, but still it gets the military style bolt shroud.

AP, yes, the "triangular plate" is the bolt lock, the trigger lock is the part that engages at the rear of the trigger body.

Here's one 2165;
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Baribal
AP, yes, the "triangular plate" is the bolt lock, the trigger lock is the part that engages at the rear of the trigger body.
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thanks ...it was hard to tell what the "triangular plate" actually did without seeing how/if it engages with the bolt in the raceway. The safety doesnt "look" like it completely blocks the finger lever from any rearward movement BUT I like the way it is designed to absolutely block the sear from dropping when engaged and is adjustable to accommodate potential tolerance variations. Looks pretty sturdy as well! Apparently Santa Barbara actions (Spanish) which I am sure have no flies on them if they ended up as the basis for our C3 sniper rifle ... and were chosen by Voere.

Anyway ALWAYS a pleasure to learn something new from both you and 9.3Mauser
 
camster said:
I was tracking that trigger and quit when it was referred to as a shotgun trigger.
...idiot alert, and possible hijack. What do they mean by "shotgun" trigger?
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I think the translation makes it sounding funny - the fact that german language permits amalgaming words may be the culprit. My understanding is that they mean "single stage trigger" compared to the original two-stage one and that it's related to the shotgun type of safety (sliding rear tang safety).
 
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Well, glad I could help.

As for actions, they use(d) ex-military actions from all over the world. Pretty hard to say where it came from as they work hard on polishing :)
 
Incidentally Baribal .. was admiring the 2165 you showed above .. it certainly doesnt appear to be a Santa Barbara action but rather a military Mauser .. I am pretty certain Kilohertz's is a Santa Barbara
 
As for the trigger lock, as you saw, it's more of a trigger movement limitator than a real trigger lock. And I agree that it's a fine safety.
 
Well after fighting with the flippin' computer for an hour...I finally managed to upload some pics of mine.

Baribal, nice looking rifle and great camera work. Very nice pics.

AP, yes, found a stamp on the tang "SPAIN", and evidence of polished out marks right near where the polished part ends and the rough part starts above the magazine.

So, is this a 2155, 2165, and any idea on the vintage. There are 2 non matching numbers you should be able to see in one of the pics.

Must get to work..I'll check in later.

thanks

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