If Norcs are a cheap crap, what does that make NEA?

skoal said:
And by trashing he means telling the truth
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Read the rules, you're allowed to tell the truth but if you trash a person or company you will get in trouble. It's more about how you say it than what you say.

Same goes with asking for warranty, if you call and calmly explain the issue you are having you usually get new parts shipped to you. If you call and yell and swear at them telling them what a piece of crap you think their product is they tell you to go F your hat.
 
joe.danay said:
Then where can I find a reliable 20" barrel AR for $700 that's not Chinese? I sold my 14" Norc M4 1to help pay for a SG542, but my old Norc shot 2moa with a 4x scope. You can pay thousands for something that's less accurate.
So if Norc is cheap crap, that makes everything else expensive crap!

No NEA rifles were dissed in the making of this post;)
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If you pay over $1500 for an AR I think you would be pretty hard pressed to find one that shot worse than 2 moa, it's more likely to shoot close to 1 moa.
You do realize that if you choose to use crap ammo you choose to accept whatever accuracy you get from it? If you want accuracy you need to try a few different types of ammo to find the one that barrel likes and just because one rifle did well with Norinco 5.56 doesn't mean the next rifle will. Take your old Norc AR and run different ammo through it and it could shoot better or it could shoot worse with each type.
 
joe.danay said:
Then where can I find a reliable 20" barrel AR for $700 that's not Chinese? I sold my 14" Norc M4 1to help pay for a SG542, but my old Norc shot 2moa with a 4x scope. You can pay thousands for something that's less accurate.
So if Norc is cheap crap, that makes everything else expensive crap!

No NEA rifles were dissed in the making of this post;)
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When did I say norc is crap? Ive owned 2 norc ar's and a handful of 1911's
Im just saying with colts comming in under 1k and dpms at around $650 and now bushmaster I really dont see a purpose for norcs. Im not saying thats a reason to sell them and buy something different but for someone just getting into it there are now better options.
 
Took my Norc AR had troubles ejecting at the range, brand new. Took it into the gunsmith, put in a new ejector kit ($25) and works like a charm. I asked him if this is common with the cheaper norcs, if he has had any experience with the Chinese made guns, etc. I mentioned I had been looking at an NEA, and he strongly dissuaded me. He said he doesn't find any difference in machining or overall quality. Accuracy may be a little better on the NEA, but for half the price, why not buy 2 Norcs? Anyways, I was surprised, as I thought NEA was a quality, Canadian made brand.
 
As far as nea goes ive had disappointments on two different rifles I gave them a fair shot but I dont make enough money to gamble on purchases. I wouldnt try and sway somebody's decision and I dont jump on bandwagons I would simply tell them about my experience with them and leave it to thei own
 
skoal said:
When did I say norc is crap? Ive owned 2 norc ar's and a handful of 1911's
Im just saying with colts comming in under 1k and dpms at around $650 and now bushmaster I really dont see a purpose for norcs. Im not saying thats a reason to sell them and buy something different but for someone just getting into it there are now better options.
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"if Norc is cheap crap..." I guess sarcasm is lost in text. The only stoppages I ever had in my Norc were bolt fully to the rear, empty magazine.
I honed the seer faces in the Norc trigger and it felt as good as any C7 I've used.
Just remember, milspec means minimum military specification. Cheap ammo in a cheap gun and my groupings were par with reviews I had seen on some more expensive versions.
 
I'm not sure what a low end dpms or bushmaster looks and feels like, but remember that you're adding at least another $75 for even the cheapest set of irons for it. In that light $529 for a norc is still a pretty good deal for someone who isn't sure if they like the platform or not, the same way that an m305 is good for the more casual rifleman who doesn't want to get too heavily into the Garand platform.
 
Mark-II said:
I'm not sure what a low end dpms or bushmaster looks and feels like, but remember that you're adding at least another $75 for even the cheapest set of irons for it. In that light $529 for a norc is still a pretty good deal for someone who isn't sure if they like the platform or not, the same way that an m305 is good for the more casual rifleman who doesn't want to get too heavily into the Garand platform.
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The point of the cost of irons is almost moot since most people slap a rds or a 1x4 on first thing or toss the carry handle and buy flip ups becouse the internet told them so.
But I agree with you on the m305, if the person was looking for a semi auto if not alot of casual rifle guys will buy a savage axis in .308 and caller a day.
 
patjohnw said:
Apart from the roll pins coming out. I liked my NEA just fine. 600 rounds without a hickup and sold it because I had to not because I wanted to.

All ars, loose the NR vs R battle.

It was replaced with a also reliable T97.
Only thing NEA is really guilty of is putting things on the market that need improvement. Letting the consumers be the test bed for that improvement.
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If your roll pins fell out the holes were oversized
 
Given the fact that wolverine has smoking deals on Daniel Defence AR's right now. Why would you take a chance on NEA?. DD M4 V7 16 inch for 1199.
 
There are 6 ARs in my locker. There would be 7, except the DD got passed on to a new owner.

My Norc works perfectly, right from the start.

Of the 3 NEAs, one had a problem with the lower. SFRC and NEA had it replaced within a week.

Others include a Bushmaster and a PSA.

All except the DD are under $1,000 guns.

If I was choosing on bang for buck, it would be NEA. Seems nicer than the Norc (floated barrel) and better finished.

I don't think you could go wrong buying the PSA. Well made and works perfectly.

And the Norc still chugs along. When the CQB championship starts next moth, that is the one I will use, because the ambi mag release is handy the way I prefer to shoot the modified prone.

If the DD is a better rifle (it costs twice as much) I did not see it. It had, by far, the worst trigger. (All triggers got replaced with Rock River.)
 
I think for us civilian dolts, a "high quality AR" is quickly overlooked because the things done to a high quality AR aren't appreciated or needed by civilian shooters, especially here in Canada. No one's going to die if our Norc CQ-A or NEA AR fails to perform, we just don't get to punch paper as much that day. Unless you're a fiercely competitive service rifle shooter, "free replacement parts shipped from the factory" to fix a downed rifle is perfectly acceptable. None of us are going to war with civilian AR's, and no one will die as a result of a failed part on the range. That brings the potential value on an AR to what it comes with and replacement part cost to get it where the owner wants it. There are lots of great answers to that question and that's why there are so many successful AR15 brands out there.
 
skoal said:
The point of the cost of irons is almost moot since most people slap a rds or a 1x4 on first thing or toss the carry handle and buy flip ups becouse the internet told them so.
But I agree with you on the m305, if the person was looking for a semi auto if not alot of casual rifle guys will buy a savage axis in .308 and caller a day.
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Not really, not everyone puts an optic on their Ar15.
Most people that buy cheap Ar15 probably wont spend money to buy optics. They will probably just use the iron sights that come with the Ar15 (if there are any).
Or people just like to shoot with iron sights.
 
adriel said:
I think for us civilian dolts, a "high quality AR" is quickly overlooked because the things done to a high quality AR aren't appreciated or needed by civilian shooters, especially here in Canada. No one's going to die if our Norc CQ-A or NEA AR fails to perform, we just don't get to punch paper as much that day. Unless you're a fiercely competitive service rifle shooter, "free replacement parts shipped from the factory" to fix a downed rifle is perfectly acceptable. None of us are going to war with civilian AR's, and no one will die as a result of a failed part on the range. That brings the potential value on an AR to what it comes with and replacement part cost to get it where the owner wants it. There are lots of great answers to that question and that's why there are so many successful AR15 brands out there.
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Maybe to some people. But I won't keep a gun that performs any less than 99.9% of the time. I'm not even a competition shooter, I just like things that work practically every time.
Having said that I also own a norc AR and so far it's been flawless.
 
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