Glocks and practice.....

TDC said:
The answer is learn to shoot. Aftermarket triggers and such are nothing but crutches for people with poor or absent fundamentals.

Tdc
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I disagree....I firmly believe that almost anyone will shoot a gun with a 3 or 4 pound trigger more accurately than one with a 12 lb trigger.

There is a reason why the top competition shooters almost never run stock triggers, and it has very little or nothing to do with fundamentals.
 
Onagoth said:
I disagree....I firmly believe that almost anyone will shoot a gun with a 3 or 4 pound trigger more accurately than one with a 12 lb trigger.

There is a reason why the top competition shooters almost never run stock triggers, and it has very little or nothing to do with fundamentals.
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Just like nearly anyone can drive a car with auto better than with manual transmission. Ohh...wait, does it make you a better driver too?
 
Nestor said:
Just like nearly anyone can drive a car with auto better than with manual transmission. Ohh...wait, does it make you a better driver too?
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I'm not suggesting it negates practice...or that it will do anything for people who can't shoot period.

But an aftermarket trigger is definitely not a crutch for poor fundamentals....at least not for everyone.
 
caramel said:
What seem silly for you gurus is important to me, you always learn something that gonna be usefull tru all those posts, the learning curve is a never ending line... JP.
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I was referring more about the back and forth hub bub about the trigger mods. My comment wasn't directed at you.

I am glad you have seen the light and stuck with Glock. :)
 
Nestor said:
Liability. You don't want to have a light trigger on a combat pistol with no safety. Problem is with the users, not the gun.
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Three safeties nestor, glocks have three. A glock in your hand is no more dangerous than a 1911 with safety off. I would argue they're safer due to the longer and heavier trigger pull.

Tdc
 
Onagoth said:
I disagree....I firmly believe that almost anyone will shoot a gun with a 3 or 4 pound trigger more accurately than one with a 12 lb trigger.

There is a reason why the top competition shooters almost never run stock triggers, and it has very little or nothing to do with fundamentals.
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Light/aftermarket triggers don't improve the shooter they cover up their lack of skills. The very skilled shooters who compete with light/aftermarket triggers are doing so to gain a very minute time advantage when shooting rapidly. An attempt at achieving the fastest mechanical speed with as little human influence as possible.

From what caramel has posted and admitted to previously and from what others have admitted previously. The decision to change the guts is based solely on their poor performance, not the desire to attempt to squeeze every advantage they can from their gear.

If you understand and can apply the fundamentals, you aren't the type to go wasting time and money on aftermarket gimmicks. If you understand fundamentals you'd understand that the primary cause of misplaced shots is due to poor user input not equipment.

Tdc
 
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TDC, how about you show us some of your 15 and 25 yd offhand groups with your glocks? Just to compare what a pro can do as opposed to what poor old Caramel can do.
 
redryder said:
TDC, how about you show us some of your 15 and 25 yd offhand groups with your glocks? Just to compare what a pro can do as opposed to what poor old Caramel can do.
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Oh I'm not a pro, I don't get paid to shoot. Secondly, I don't shoot groups as I am not interested in what I can achieve with slow deliberate fire at a stationary target. Fist size groups are more than adequate for what I use my guns for. I will shoot some groups and post them next time I hit the range if that satisfies your curiosity.

TDC
 
sailor723 said:
That's one thing I've never understood. People will say "Oh, such in such is a great gun after you smooth the trigger, replace the springs, replace the.......yadda yadda yadda" Why not just buy a gun that's good to begin with?
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Glocks are fine out of the box, some people need to change things up to cover their problems. Watch hickok45s youtube, he can take any stock glock and shoot the lights out with it.

As well, some people just like fking with things.
 
It's NY1 trigger actually and I've seen some petite ladies, who never held the pistol before, qualifying just fine on a dynamic course of fire with Glock 22. Heavy trigger, stress, speed and 40 S&W. Well, these ladies did just fine. Now, after reading this thread I just can't help, but wonder how they were able to accomplish all that? Answer is simple - they didn't f@$c around feeling sorry for themselves.
 
Tengoo said:
Glocks are service pistols. They are designed for cops and soldiers to carry every day. They were never intended to be used as sport and competition guns. The fact that people want to use them for sport/competition means they'll get modded up to get that additional [perhaps imaginary] 'edge'. I don't think it's hard to understand.
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This, except I would include the thousands of civilians that carry them as well. I would much rather carry a stock Glock with the exception of sights.
 
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