Pics added page 3 Steel shot

I'm bored as I'm gimped up with a sprained ankle

Notice the spatter stuck on the side of some of the steel

I'll open a black cloud and a hevi shot nitro mag next

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Rem hevi shot nitro mag

Wow this is worse than win Xpert hv

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Btw this isn't meant to hate on steel but rather Inform people what I discovered playing around

So no roar roar roarin on me

Take the pics for what they are
 
If lead was still legal it would be my choice it just works great and I miss using it on ducks for jump shooting. The last time I cut up steel shot shell I found the same thing shot that was not even close to being round and some of it looked liked metal welding slag.
 
tylerjwitty said:
So basically what your attempting to say in a nut she'll is this , correct me if I'm wrong, a 20 dollar box of shells 31/2 in steel or lead , you choose steel . Lead being legal by some chance .

As for steel being round , pull apart a few. Their is sizes from #2 to bb in some of them and shaped like nerd candy
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For starters, I will never use 3-1/2" ammunition, because I don't see the point in putting up with the extra recoil, when I can kill geese just fine with 3" ammunition. Of course I would prefer lead to steel,but that doesn't change the fact that you can kill geese just fine with steel, if you have decent shooting skills, and you can be bothered to pattern your loads, in order to choose a suitable choke.
 
tylerjwitty said:
^ hope you don't use anything bigger than a 270 win for all game in canada ;)
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I use 12 gauge 3" ammunition for hunting geese, and I generally use a 28 gauge O/U for hunting grouse,partridge and pheasant. I kill just as many birds, usually with fewer shots than most hunters that I have hunted with. It could have something to do with the fact that I normally shoot over 5000 rounds of shotshells every year, shooting skeet and sporting clays. Oddly enough, the best wingshooters that I have hunted with, were also skeet shooters. It isn't about how much shot you throw at a bird, it's where you place the shot pattern.
 
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tylerjwitty said:
That blows . Steel is useless must be why thy call it non toxic . It doesn't kill
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The guy on the right uses 2 3/4" Winchester Dri Loc #2's, the guy on the left was using black powder loads with Bismuth and Nice Shot, but also used some 2 3/4" smokeless and 3" smokeless Kent Fassteel 2's - he often can be seen killing very well with steel shot in a 20 gauge O/U also .:>)
BTW, feathers flying off the guts of a goose and broken legs make no difference if the shot was made with a lead shot shell or steel shot shell - a bad shot is just that, a bad shot.
Cat

 
stubblejumper said:
I use 12 gauge 3" ammunition for hunting geese, and I generally use a 28 gauge O/U for hunting grouse,partridge and pheasant. I kill just as many birds, usually with fewer shots than most hunters that I have hunted with. It could have something to do with the fact that I normally shoot over 5000 rounds of shotshells every year, shooting skeet and sporting clays. Oddly enough, the best wingshooters that I have hunted with, were also skeet shooters. It isn't about how much shot you throw at a bird, it's where you place the shot pattern.
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This is often the kicker. Lead can be more forgiving to the casual wingshooter, and it shows quickly when they start blaming steel.
 
I would cut open a Federal Ultra Shok but they discontinued them and I hate to waste one on a thread pic when it could be put to use on Snow Geese or Specks next week on my days off!! Best steel shotshell on the market IMO. Pellets were always perfect and zinc plated. I'll cut open a Speed Shok instead. I have lots of them and I get them cheap from a buddy in the states.
 
It is very simple. In 2014 if you cannot kill cleanly with steel shot you have not spent the time to test loads and chokes in your gun or like most who focus on the steel shot for their lack of success they cannot hit the side of a barn or worse a combination of both
When I guided I was shocked to see how many hunters cannot shoot a shot gun with any success something I was not familiar with hanging around skeet and trap shooters all my life. Cannot get good on 8 boxes a year which they now say is the average max for most waterfowl hunters
If one cannot kill birds with Kent high speed steel ( which is the only one I have tried since I have been rolling my own for almost 20years) best take a hard look at what YOU are doing not if the shot was round or not
Cheers
 
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the spank said:
I would cut open a Federal Ultra Shok but they discontinued them and I hate to waste one on a thread pic when it could be put to use on Snow Geese or Specks next week on my days off!! Best steel shotshell on the market IMO. Pellets were always perfect and zinc plated. I'll cut open a Speed Shok instead. I have lots of them and I get them cheap from a buddy in the states.
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Please do . You can always put the shell back together which I do .
 
3macs1 said:
It is very simple. In 2014 if you cannot kill cleanly with steel shot you have not spent the time to test loads and chokes in your gun or like most who focus on the steel shot for their lack of success they cannot hit the side of a barn or worse a combination of both
When I guided I was shocked to see how many hunters cannot shoot a shot gun with any success something I was not familiar with hanging around skeet and trap shooters all my life. Cannot get good on 8 boxes a year which they now say is the average max for most waterfowl hunters
If one cannot kill birds with Kent high speed steel ( which is the only one I have tried since I have been rolling my own for almost 20years) best take a hard look at what YOU are doing not if the shot was round or not
Cheers
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I shoot skeet with a friend who is an outfitter for waterfowl, and according to him, the average client that books with him, is quite lacking, as far as wingshooting skills are concerned. I was also dissappointed after watching a few hunting programs, and comparing the number of ducks and geese killed, to the amount of shots fired. But after watching the average hunter shooting skeet for the first time, it becomes much easier to understand.
 
CV32 said:
This is often the kicker. Lead can be more forgiving to the casual wingshooter, and it shows quickly when they start blaming steel.
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I never understood the term wing shooter . Does this mean that someone with a 18 inch pattern of prob 40 balls is attempting to strike the 3/8 wing bone? What happens when the bird is flying perpendicular to your vision about 5 yards up and 25 yards out ?

I have always been taught head and neck shot .
 
tylerjwitty said:
I never understood the term wing shooter . Does this mean that someone with a 18 inch pattern of prob 40 balls is attempting to strike the 3/8 wing bone? What happens when the bird is flying perpendicular to your vision about 5 yards up and 25 yards out ? .
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The term wing shooter refers to shooting birds " o. The ring" as opposed to ground swatting them on the water or ground
Cat
 
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