Type 56 SKS Unboxing

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I'm making this post late at night so that you guys can see it though out the day tomorrow while I'm at work so I can view replies at what people think about this Type 56 SKS. To be honest, I'm unsure if this is even a military Type 56. My little knowledge about Type 56 SKS tells me it could be but also tells me it might not be. So, I want to see what you guys think. This is one of the remaining Type 56 SKS from Frontier Firearms.



So the gun arrived two days passed the expected delivery date but that is the usual with things being sent to Vancouver Island. Canada Post for some reason will send your package from Richmond to Victoria, and then from Victoria back to Richmond, and then Richmond to Nanaimo and to where I am on the Island. Makes no sense but that's the way the do it. The box looks like either someone was interested as to what was in the box, or transit damage. It says Frontier Taxidermy on the box so maybe someone though there was a dead animal inside. Just joking but its fun to imagine how that happened.



So the gun is coated in oil. Not cosmoline as I have seen some people say. Its like the same oil that the M305 came packed in or even my T97 came packed in. There is cosmoline under the bolt carrier and inside the gas tube so I wouldn't fire this gun out of the box. Also, my firing pin channel is loaded with cosmoline. Will have to remove the firing pin and clean that out another time.



So this was upon first inspection. I noticed the gun has no Chinese characters, is ####ing made by Zelda! check that #### out. SKS of time #####es! Just kidding. Its Factory 0306. However, this seems to me like a commercial serial number. I read a little bit on it and a number like 5-1608blahblah with 7 digits is a sign of an SKS made for commercial use. However, I also did read that not every factory followed the same serial number as other factories did. Some didn't even put the Chinese Characters on it. So from my guns serial number, its either made in 2005 or made in 1972. The first thing I decided to check was if the barrel is pinned on or not. Its its pinned, its an 05. If its not, its 70's production.



Here is just a picture of the new Type 56 with my Russian SKS.



Piston does look like its never seen use.



Cosmoline under the bolt carrier.

I'm surprised at how much stuff on these Chinese SKS is stamped. This was also a clue to me that it may be commercial made SKS although I know that sometime in 1967 or maybe a bit sooner the Chinese switched to a stamped trigger guard and other parts. Here are a few pictures of things I noticed were stamped.









Now in the photo above, I was trying to take a picture of what I thought was a pin. I was actually getting pissed off at this point as I was really starting to think this is a commercial Type 56. However, once I cleaned off the oil in that spot, it turns out to be a 5 and not a pin.



and here is the rear sight. I thought the military ones didn't have a 300 meter. That the D was the 300 meter so they just skipped it. I could be wrong though. So what do you guys think? Is it military or commercial? This is also a look see at the Type 56 SKS that Frontier is selling so thoughts of you who are thinking of buying can see what you will probably get. I do like that the gun indeed looks un-issued. Not a scratch on it and the thing was difficult to take a part from parts not being broken in yet. One other thing I was told is that a commercial SKS will not have a factory code on it but this one had Zelda on it... I mean factory 0306.

Anyways, any comments that will help me decide if this is military or commercial is greatly appreciated.
 
Interesting.. I was just looking at their site before I checked out your post…. I notice the sling mount is on the bottom and not on the side of the butt stock.Your pictures confirm this.Maybe there is more to it then that…Also they advertise the rifle as Norinco.. and not Chinese Military... On a hunch, I will say commercial.
 
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Some sights advertise anything coming out of china as norinco. The dis in canada is especially bad for this.

The commercial rifles have norinco stamped on them the military ones never did, unless they went to the US at some point and got import markings.

Honestly, having a few Chinese SKS I wouldn't panic. While it isn't out of factory 26, what you have appears much like any other military Chinese SKS I've seen or had. Stamped parts are quite normal depending on the era.

Most of the last tune of Chinese SKS seem to be of the 70s vintage.

The serial number you gave is not database using the +12 rule.
 
It looks exactly like the Chinese one I bought from Frontier last year.
At the time they advertised it as a "Norinco", but my assessment determined it was a Military issue rifle from either the 60's or 70's. It has a short lug barrel, not a pinned one. Factory /625\.

Is the end of your piston black/gray in colour? Looks like it in the pic. That tells me it has been fired, cause that discoloration doesn't completely go away after cleaning.
Mine also only had 7 digits, no "5 -" prefix beforehand. I've never seen that before. There also appears to be a faint triangle after the number on yours?
 
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Some sights advertise anything coming out of china as norinco. The dis in canada is especially bad for this.

The commercial rifles have norinco stamped on them the military ones never did, unless they went to the US at some point and got import markings.

Honestly, having a few Chinese SKS I wouldn't panic. While it isn't out of factory 26, what you have appears much like any other military Chinese SKS I've seen or had. Stamped parts are quite normal depending on the era.

Most of the last tune of Chinese SKS seem to be of the 70s vintage.

The serial number you gave is not database using the +12 rule.

Oh thank you and for the post to the website. My paranoia for it not being a military Type 56 has subdued a lot. I did want it to have the Chinese characters but oh well.

Is the end of your piston black/gray in colour? Looks like it in the pic. That tells me it has been fired, cause that discoloration doesn't completely go away after cleaning. Mine also only had 7 digits, no "5 -" prefix beforehand. I've never seen that before. There also appears to be a faint triangle after the number on yours?

Well I assume any gun ever made was test fired at one point. Its definitely un-issued though. The triangle is the Zelda triforce man! Must of been part of Zeldas Royal guard or something. I didn't know Zelda was from China. Its actually the triangle for the factory code for factory 0306. I was told that the commercial ones won't have a factory code but this one does.
 
Just because the barrel is pinned on a Chinese SKS doesn't mean that it is a commercial variant. They were still producing the sks in the 70's when the pinned barrels started to be used. I have one and it is a very accurate SKS. That said they also modded and refurbished some. Is your metalwork blued or does it have a rough finish. The way the trigger group is spot welded is not like the other stamped Military production ones I have seen. That looks like the cheaper late method. The metalwork looks to be the painted. If you could confirm the metal finish, I believe yours to be a mid production one that was refurbed. Don't forget they also modified early and mid production guns into what we know as the Commercial variants as well as making ones from new production to sell to the Western market. The mid production should still have the milled trigger group. I could be wrong but from what I have seen this one looks to be a mid production military version that was refurbished using late parts and methods. Just my opinion though from what i can see from those pics.

For more detail on the Chinese guns check out this site which has had the info on the Chinese guns compiled into a new site here: h ttp://chinesesks.weebly.com/
 
Just because the barrel is pinned on a Chinese SKS doesn't mean that it is a commercial variant. They were still producing the sks in the 70's when the pinned barrels started to be used. I have one and it is a very accurate SKS. That said they also modded and refurbished some. Is your metalwork blued or does it have a rough finish. The way the trigger group is spot welded is not like the other stamped Military production ones I have seen. That looks like the cheaper late method. The metalwork looks to be the painted. If you could confirm the metal finish, I believe yours to be a mid production one that was refurbed. Don't forget they also modified early and mid production guns into what we know as the Commercial variants as well as making ones from new production to sell to the Western market. The mid production should still have the milled trigger group. I could be wrong but from what I have seen this one looks to be a mid production military version that was refurbished using late parts and methods. Just my opinion though from what i can see from those pics.

For more detail on the Chinese guns check out this site which has had the info on the Chinese guns compiled into a new site here: h ttp://chinesesks.weebly.com/

This was not purchased used but by a site dealer that advertised it as un-issued and non-refurbished. The finish is blued and very clean. Not a scratch in it. From what i read on Milsurp collectors, The Chinese switched to stamped trigger guards as soon as they started supplying SKS to Vietnam in 1967.
 
This was not purchased used but by a site dealer that advertised it as un-issued and non-refurbished. The finish is blued and very clean. Not a scratch in it. From what i read on Milsurp collectors, The Chinese switched to stamped trigger guards as soon as they started supplying SKS to Vietnam in 1967.

I have seen many retailers claiming things on the SKS's that they know nothing about. They copy and past info from a certain source and use it for their advertizing not knowing what they are really selling. Again not saying that is the case here. Yes you got this one from Frontier. I have had many of these through my hands and have never seen the spot welding on the stamped trigger group on the mid production guns. That is what has me suspicious. But again it could be the method they used at that factory that I haven't seen SKS's from yet. And again I needed the confirmation of the finish. It may well be original production. I could only go by the few pictures provided.
 
I have seen many retailers claiming things on the SKS's that they know nothing about. They copy and past info from a certain source and use it for their advertizing not knowing what they are really selling. Again not saying that is the case here. Yes you got this one from Frontier. I have had many of these through my hands and have never seen the spot welding on the stamped trigger group on the mid production guns. That is what has me suspicious. But again it could be the method they used at that factory that I haven't seen SKS's from yet. And again I needed the confirmation of the finish. It may well be original production. I could only go by the few pictures provided.

Different way of doing it. China had several different trigger group styles.
 
If there is no Made in China or 7.62x39 marked on it. Then it is millitary, if yes then its commercial.



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I have both, military and commercial. THe commercial , made for consumer rifle will say "made in China" in English on the receiver, the military will have chinese lettering.


Having that said, they are both good quality rifles, though one may have less collector value to milsurp guys. I have a consumer rifle that I picked up in the eighties and it shoots as good as any other sks rifle, and its still going after 30 years with thousands upon thousands of rounds out of it. I'm equally happy with both rifles.
 
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