MPs dont use 9mm?
I may be wrong but the thing with the Hague Convention in regards to HP rounds is during warfare.
FBI is switching back to 9mm handguns.
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MPs dont use 9mm?
I may be wrong but the thing with the Hague Convention in regards to HP rounds is during warfare.
i thought they used a P229 in .40 but i could be wrong.
So you think they would load up with one type of ammo (HP) when they are just "hangin' around" ... and then go to their locker and exchange ammo (hard ball) when they go out on a mission? Are they ever just "hangin' around"?
The last meathead (MP) I saw was carrying a SiG P225 (single stack 9mm)
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The 9mm, because it's recoil is more manageable to some LEO's, and therefore winds up being aimed more precisely and incurring less peripheral damage and lawsuits, has been the recipient of most of the bullet R&D money since 1995. Almost 20 years of focused improvement is bound to make for a better bullet. In 1990, the 9mm was far inferior to the .40 and .45 as a man stopping round, but today it's in the same ballpark.
This is why law enforcement agencies will be leaning back towards the 9mm...
This is why law enforcement agencies will be leaning back towards the 9mm...
The costs of replacing everything and then refitting and re supplyig ammunition and then the costs of requalifying with a new weapon are pretty friggen big. How long must the stick with their decision before the cost differential pays back the investment?
If they stick with Glocks, then Glock Inc. will buy the old pistols from them for later civilian resale. This will defer some of the costs involved with the switch. Not to mention that Glock has always sold to the LEO market at greatly reduced prices.
Rob if that truly is the case then the switch to 9MM has been greatly overstated. It will be sometime before the changeover is made. Are they sticking with Glocks or changing the pistol as well?
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Bob
When overseas in a theatre of operations you use FMJ. Domestically you use HP.
When was the last time the Canadian Military fired on it's own citizens, aside from the Riel Rebeliion? The RCMP are not part of the Armed Forces.
Any 9MM I have seen in use by the Cdn Army/Navy has been FMJ. Surely there are some current serving or Vets on the forum that might want to comment. I never saw any HP ammunition during my brief stint back in the early 60's.
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Single stack P225 9mm. The NAVY and CANSOF get P226 in 9mm
As I'm sure you know, in peace time MP's serve as the police force on army bases and on occasion, like any law enforcement personnel, they may have to deal with some tough & rowdy customers. I don't think he was implying they were there to be used against the public.
If they are armed then they are expected to use thwir firearms if necessary. In any event the bullets I am sure would be FMJ. The DND is not likely going to inventory HP ammo unless we fib on occasion.
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Bob
They are currently running a new handgun selection.
Right now there is a requirement for a 2 gun family - a standard - and a longer slide version.
9mm is marginally cheaper in bulk than .40 - however 9mm gun service life is much longer than .40 guns.
In the long term there will be savings (a gun is a minor cost in the grand scheme - you can recoup the 9mm gun platform cost within 5 years depending upon how much your service uses the gun).
Kevin is there a requirement for the gun to be made in the US, say in a higher unemployment State like, for example Massachusetts? You have to think the M&P would have the inside track on the contract.
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Bob
Negative - the solicitation is on FBO for those interested.
Historically the tie goes to the runner in Fed procurement - if Glock and M&P tie - then M&P will get the buy as Smith is American.
Right now - I think everyone expects only Glock and Smith to be contenders.
The longer frame gun was designed for the tactical teams - duty holster - and running weapon lights - the theory is the longer barrel (Glock34, M&P ProL) type guns will not blast the weapon light as much as the smaller framed guns.
Frankly I prefer the WML on my standard sized M&P as if I contact shoot - the slide will still go into battery as the light offers a stand off device...
Historically the tie goes to the runner in Fed procurement - if Glock and M&P tie - then M&P will get the buy as Smith is American.
Right now - I think everyone expects only Glock and Smith to be contenders.
The longer frame gun was designed for the tactical teams - duty holster - and running weapon lights - the theory is the longer barrel (Glock34, M&P ProL) type guns will not blast the weapon light as much as the smaller framed guns.
Frankly I prefer the WML on my standard sized M&P as if I contact shoot - the slide will still go into battery as the light offers a stand off device...
