Is there a better light recoiling, do it all cartridge...

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...than the .270 Winchester?

There are now some properly constructed (for hunting) lightweight bullets out there: 85gr TSX, 95 and 110gr TTSX, 85gr E-Tip, 100 and 110gr Accubond.

You can have a solid load for deer and the like with these lightweight bullets loaded to .243 Winchester velocity and recoil. You can crank them up to .257 Wby velocity and trajectory - while burning much less powder. Flat shooting? The 95gr TTSX would have a +/- 3" point blank range of 338 yards.

Move up to the 130's for a good all around load - anything between 2900 - 3100fps for an effective, light recoiling game getter. The new 129gr LRX should be ok for those that want to reach out a bit further than normal.

A 150gr Partition, A-Frame or TSX would give you pretty much everything you need to go after moose or elk.

The only things it would not be good for would be Bison (illegal) and turning a charge from the big bears.

So from .243 Winchester level recoil and performance on up to pretty much everything - it offers light recoil, flat trajectory and good effect on game.


And for C-FMBI - you need to look at the .270 Winchester. The .270 Winchester is exactly what you are looking for. [/jedimindtrick]
 
Take your pick of the 6.5's and 7mm's... they can do all that without looking like a cross-eyed, snaggle-toothed step son...
 
Certainly not IMO!

You missed the 140gr Range, I think the Accubond is one of the best all round Projectiles for bringing the Smaller game an Heavier game all under 1 bullet... but that's just me.

I love the .270win and I also rekon the 7mm-08 is just as useful, also containing a light recoil and good bullet choice, generally using a little less powder for a little less speed.

in my case I use the same amount of powder as a 308 an git the job done

all praise the mighty .270 without the magnumitis small nuddys syndrome :D :rockon:

WL
 
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Take your pick of the 6.5's and 7mm's... they can do all that without looking like a cross-eyed, snaggle-toothed step son...
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Exactly! I have owned and do still own various cartridges using .264" and .284" bullets, and I have not missed never owning a .277" cartridge in my life.
 
My first hunt with a 270 was in 1963 for Pronghorn Antelope and it has served me well since.
But I have to say that I enjoy my Bill Leeper - built Winchester in 256 Newton more than the 270, so much in fact that my 270 has another owner.
 
Light recoiling is subjective, but if we consider what its like to shoot a light .270 rifle loaded with heavy 160 gr Partition or 180 gr Woodleigh loads, we can't ignore the .30/06 as a potential contender. Since the .30/06 is my all time favorite cartridge, its difficult for me to consider any lighter cartridge to be as good, although I do have high hopes for a custom .280 Ackley that I have on order. Having said that, I consider general purpose big game cartridges correctly start with the moderate capacity 6.5s, so the .270 is certainly on the list.
 
There is nothing wrong with the .270, in fact it is probably my second favorite hunting cartridge, after the 7x57.

Exactly! I have owned and do still own various cartridges using .264" and .284" bullets, and I have not missed never owning a .277" cartridge in my life.
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Having never owned one how could you really know what you are missing?!:)
 
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6.5X55, 7X57, 7mm-08, .308, but they will all kick like a mule when fired from a light weight mountain rifle...
Now for the Weatherby comparison, Nothing shoots Flatter or Hits harder than a Weatherby of course that is with much more powder and that is a topic for another day.
Then again I may have not understood the hidden question f:P:
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
Never owned one...as hard as that is too believe. I have a 25-06 and 7x57, 308. So it sits in there, offering little one of the others doesn't already do. If i did not already own the others it would be on my wish list, 7 thou to the 7mm doesn't seem like much but with larger projectile (actually available) for 7mm i don't see one in my future.

When someone asks for a all around, one rifle does all, the 270, 7 mag, 30-06, and 300 WM are the four that come to mind for me. Recoil tolerance, and the stupid caliber restriction of Ontario would be the reason for me to choose a 270.
 
It's sad that some can't just use the cartridge they want to without worry that the other baboons in the tribe may disapprove of their choice. Cliques are better suited for highschool girls, not grown men.
 
Well 1899, it would appear that I am not alone..........the 264 WM can and will match and exceed the 270 with all bullet weights and has a better BC and SD in matching weights. Having the same recoil in the same weight rifle, the same can be said of the 6.5-284, 6.5-06, the 280 Rem, the 7X64 and the 7mmRM. The 264 WM and the 7mm RM will all achieve as good or better ballistics as the 270 Wby, the new 6.5 Nosler the 7mm Wby as well as the 7mm RUM exceed the 270 Wby significantly. None of which do so with any greater noticeable recoil in similar designed and weight rifles.
Another thought for you is the fact that no wildcat has ever been SAAMI'd in 277 bore since the introduction of the bore in 1925 or whatever, none, not one........and even as of today, there are only 4 commercial 27 caliber cartridges...........that's certainly not very many cartridges to inhabit a whole caliber, and a couple of them are pretty shaky.........Think how many 25s there are and 6.5s and 7mms and then comes 30s, my God there are more 30s, by tenfold.
You know 1899, you say that I should really have a 270 but I would ask WHY, when in the last going on 90 years there have been so many superior cartridges introduced, in so many similar calibers, but not 270. It is stale and uninspiring and apparently I can't be the only one who feels this way or there would be a plethora of 277 based cartridges to choose from. If it weren't for the American hatred of the metric system and the writings of one drunken old wife beater, this caliber and cartridge would never have seen the light of day and would have been in a much more successful and versatile 6.5 or 7mm bore.
I own and have used extensively the 264 WM and several 7mm mags as well as non belted 6.5s and 7mms, and not once, in the use of these cartridges and calibers, did I wish I had a 270 instead !!!
I have never heard of anyone using or even wildcatting the 277 bore for use in BR matches, nor am I aware of anyone using it, or any derivatives of it, in long range matches, to my knowledge it has never held a record in any match, anywhere, ever, when all the calibers surrounding it seem to be someone's darling in BR or LR shooting and have accolades to support it. What does this tell you about this cartridge?
Then there is the unquantifiable record of game lost to the 270, which I believe is excessive. Very few admit to losing game and/or don't want to talk about it, but I believe the 270 is a cartridge holding in the top 3 of this category. Too many people believe the writings of one old writer from decades back and think the 270 is an around cartridge, which it is not and never has been in the hands of the average hunter. It is the same syndrome as Bell's 7X57 on elephant, if everyone knew their game and were in the physical condition as Bell and could shoot like Bell...........well you get my point, the 7X57 just isn't an elephant rifle for the average man. I know an old poacher who has, God knows how many WT deer and several being B&C class deer, with a hornet. Again the point being that although the hornet has been used successfully many times on big deer by one man, does not mean it is an adequate WT deer cartridge for the average hunter. The 270 shares a niche for sure BUT that niche should have an upper animal size limit of sheep, WT, Mulie and caribou. It is an adequate cartridge for this class of game, in reality (all my prejudices and rantings aside), but not when one gets to elk and moose and grizzly in NA, and certainly not for the larger antelope species in Africa or any dangerous game, of any kind.

Besides 1899, as I said it is just the cartridge/caliber I have CHOSEN to hate, as is my God given right in Canada......;);):D:D
 
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When I was a teenager with a .270 win, I could't wait to trade or sell it for a "real man's" rifle, which obviously had to be a .300 win mag or more.

I never really noticed at the time, that everything I or my dad shot with that "little .270" went ahead and promptly died without any fuss. I just always felt undergunned with it. Maybe it was that all the adult men I hunted with ALL used magnums.

I did end up trading it for a magnum, and was without a .270 for many years, before happily coming back to it, with considerably more hunting experience and much more perspective.

There's nothing particularly magical about the .270 win, but it certainly doesn't deserve the scoffing at that it recieves from the haters.
 
Nothing will 'turn the charge' of a big bear. Calibre restrictions depend on where you are. .270's are minimum in Wyoming, for example. And there are lots of cartridges covered by your subject. Mind you, the .270 is everywhere so leaving your ammo on the kitchen table isn't as a big deal as it would be for some cartridges.
 
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