SUPREME COURT OF CANADA RULES THAT AIR GUNS ARE "FIREARMS" Date: Thursday, Novembe

Black_Valkyrie said:
Predict a judge will get a talking to from the feds and from some industry ceos. No one likes to lose sales and tax income.
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I really doubt that friend. After all these are the "elite" of our society. Complete with a lifetime of "I'm special" brainwashing, close personal protection 24/7/365, permit to carry, etc.

Extraordinary things that basically the great unwashed masses can only dream of.

Perhaps it's long overdue for the taxpaying public to get a "judicial review" of their extremely priviledged lifestyle?
 
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No. Money talks. Screwing a whole industry and hurting the pocketbook of giant retailers like Canadian Tire won't happen overnight. Guarantee there are some high level lunch meetings happening right now trying to un-#### what just got ####ered up by that judge. Also predict judge will get a talking to.
 
Goose said:
Agenda 21 disarm the population right down to the bb guns !!
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One day, these phucktard govt's will get their wish, and truly disarm their citizenry.

Approximately about the same time that Russia, China and every freedom-hating terrorist decide to unleash hell in North America.

And here will stand, strong and free with our pekkers in our hands.

I'll see all the freedom haters in hell!! Don't worry, I'll save some seats!
 
black_valkyrie said:
no. Money talks. Screwing a whole industry and hurting the pocketbook of giant retailers like canadian tire won't happen overnight. Guarantee there are some high level lunch meetings happening right now trying to un-#### what just got ####ered up by that judge. Also predict judge will get a talking to.
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k...

Edit: You feel free to keep on believing that Black Valkyrie.

Fact is PM Harper himself has butted heads with the SCC at least 5 times now since 2006.
 
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There is so much stupid, irony and beauracratic bulls**t in this one article I can barely keep my head from banging against a wall.......

Chalk up another loss for common sense, logic and freedom under Democracy.

Just the way the Government wants it on this outcome; grey, confusing, arbitrary and completely up to them to see if they want to nail you to the wall or not. Mark these words friends; if they can't flat out just take your rights and make you a slave, they will legislate you into a position that amounts to you being in the same position regardless.
 
Would that be the missionary position???:confused::p:adult:

Travis Bickle said:
There is so much stupid, irony and beauracratic bulls**t in this one article I can barely keep my head from banging against a wall.......

Chalk up another loss for common sense, logic and freedom under Democracy.

Just the way the Government wants it on this outcome; grey, confusing, arbitrary and completely up to them to see if they want to nail you to the wall or not. Mark these words friends; if they can't flat out just take your rights and make you a slave, they will legislate you into a position that amounts to you being in the same position regardless.
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KND said:
Don't think this would affect airsoft, otherwise many of them are going to get PAL.
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44fordy said:
My boys have pellet rifles. (495 fps) My boys are 9 and 6.

Does this mean that they now need a PAL to have them??? WTF
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hammering hank said:
How about the retailers selling all these 500 or less fps air guns, what will happen there if they dont get the memo and continue to sell? Im finding this a little out there and hard to believe....
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Do you guys even read the first line???

On Wednesday, November 5, the Supreme Court of Canada issued its ruling R. v. Dunn, finding that most air guns are considered “firearms” for all purposes in the Criminal Code except for licensing and registration.
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Black_Valkyrie said:
No. Money talks. Screwing a whole industry and hurting the pocketbook of giant retailers like Canadian Tire won't happen overnight. Guarantee there are some high level lunch meetings happening right now trying to un-#### what just got ####ered up by that judge. Also predict judge will get a talking to.
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This is supposedly a SCC decision. Made by 9 judges, 6 appointed by Harper. There is no going back on the decision, nor is there any amending it. The only thing that can happen here is a change to the law. Holy phoque, I can't wait for some clarification. Just today, I took my granddaughter (4 yrs old) out deer hunting. I put her Marlin Lever BB gun in a case, just so she would learn that it's the way guns are transported. So now, technically, if I read this right, I could end up in jail for this? OyOyOy!
 
The only difference between before and after this verdict is with storage and transportion. If you aren't using the gun, then you are either storing it or transporting it. Treat it like any other non-restricted powder burner and you'll be fine.

Store it in a room separate from the ammo, or with a trigger lock, or in a lockable case or cabinet.
Transport it with a trigger lock or in a lockable (and locked) case. Backpack? No problem. Trigger lock it or throw a luggage lock on the zipper.
If it's in your vehicle, then you're transporting it. If it's out of sight and the doors are locked you're fine. Better to have it locked anyway.

It's just basic safe handling stuff. No need to panic.
 
gwilder said:
The only difference between before and after this verdict is with storage and transportion. If you aren't using the gun, then you are either storing it or transporting it. Treat it like any other non-restricted powder burner and you'll be fine.

Store it in a room separate from the ammo, or with a trigger lock, or in a lockable case or cabinet.
Transport it with a trigger lock or in a lockable (and locked) case. Backpack? No problem. Trigger lock it or throw a luggage lock on the zipper.
If it's in your vehicle, then you're transporting it. If it's out of sight and the doors are locked you're fine. Better to have it locked anyway.

It's just basic safe handling stuff. No need to panic.
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One heck of an issue is that a very large number of people that own pellet guns, the overwhelming majority, I'd guess, will not have a clue about this ruling or its impact. And the slightest violation is a criminal record, prohibition, and possibly jail time. The other one I have to wonder about is that I used to carry a pellet pistol to pop grouse when out moose hunting. The pump-up one was kept on a holster at my side, the CO2 ones were kept inside my jacket so they didn't lose power in the cold. Under this ruling, I'd be looking at jail time.

Those judges sure made Canada a much safer place! If brains were copper wire, that whole bunch together wouldn't have enough to short-circuit the arse end of a firefly.

And when I think that 2/3 of that nuthouse were nominated by the man who's supposed to be our friend and protector - WTF???

Can you imagine some poor phoqueur ending up in the hoosegow for 3 years for not having a trigger lock on a Red Ryder, while a rectum like Guy Turcotte walks around free. Man oh man, I couldn't have hallucinated a scenario like that back in the 70's.
 
idk why everyone is freaking out its says clear as day that you don't need a license for a sub 500fps air gun it looks to me as this enforces the fact that if you use a air gun for a criminal act you will be charged the same as if you used a real firearm that as been the way forever now
 
gwilder said:
The only difference between before and after this verdict is with storage and transportion. If you aren't using the gun, then you are either storing it or transporting it. Treat it like any other non-restricted powder burner and you'll be fine.

Store it in a room separate from the ammo, or with a trigger lock, or in a lockable case or cabinet.
Transport it with a trigger lock or in a lockable (and locked) case. Backpack? No problem. Trigger lock it or throw a luggage lock on the zipper.
If it's in your vehicle, then you're transporting it. If it's out of sight and the doors are locked you're fine. Better to have it locked anyway.

It's just basic safe handling stuff. No need to panic.
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Not even necessary. Ignore the firearms act and firearms act regulations. They have no bearing on unregulated airguns. You just may not store or transport it in a careless manner. This most likely means taking reasonable measures to prevent unauthorized access. Storing ammunition separately is not a factor.

For everyone else in this thread: YOU DO NOT NEED A PAL TO BUY AN UNDER 500FPS AIRGUN!!! THAT ASPECT HAS NOT CHANGED!!!
 
Ar180shooter said:
Not even necessary. Ignore the firearms act and firearms act regulations. They have no bearing on unregulated airguns. You just may not store or transport it in a careless manner. This most likely means taking reasonable measures to prevent unauthorized access. Storing ammunition separately is not a factor. For everyone else in this thread: YOU DO NOT NEED A PAL TO BUY AN UNDER 500FPS AIRGUN!!! THAT ASPECT HAS NOT CHANGED!!!
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There's that bloody word again "reasonable". It's what scares me. I am far from being a lawyer, but the way I understood the ruling is that everything except licensing and registration applies to all airguns. Given that there's no such thing as a ticketable offence or misdemeanor in the FA, the first few guys that get charged are gonna pay through the nose to find out exactly what it means. Now, if common sense were used by LEO's and the Crown, the entire FA would not be an issue.
 
"Canada’s National Firearms Association is this country’s largest and most effective advocacy organization representing the interests of firearms owners and users."

This is the only part of this post that surprises me ??
 
Papaclaude said:
There's that bloody word again "reasonable". It's what scares me. I am far from being a lawyer, but the way I understood the ruling is that everything except licensing and registration applies to all airguns. Given that there's no such thing as a ticketable offence or misdemeanor in the FA, the first few guys that get charged are gonna pay through the nose to find out exactly what it means. Now, if common sense were used by LEO's and the Crown, the entire FA would not be an issue.
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Then you didn't understand the ruling, which is what most of the hysteria is being caused by. Additionally, a misdemeanor doesn't exist in Canadian Law, felonies and misdemeanors are an American thing. The Firearms Act and any regulations made under the Firearms Act does not come in to play here. We are looking at 86.(1) of the Criminal Code, which now applies to airguns. 86.(2) sets out that contravening regulations made under 117(h) of the Firearms Act constitutes an offence, but these regulations do not apply to the above mentioned class of airguns. Additionally, the offences listed in 86.(1) are punishable by summary conviction or as an indictable offence.
 
Ar180shooter said:
Then you didn't understand the ruling, which is what most of the hysteria is being caused by. Additionally, a misdemeanor doesn't exist in Canadian Law, felonies and misdemeanors are an American thing. The Firearms Act and any regulations made under the Firearms Act does not come in to play here. We are looking at 86.(1) of the Criminal Code, which now applies to airguns. 86.(2) sets out that contravening regulations made under 117(h) of the Firearms Act constitutes an offence, but these regulations do not apply to the above mentioned class of airguns. Additionally, the offences listed in 86.(1) are punishable by summary conviction or as an indictable offence.
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Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa
 
Just imagine all the kids with air soft guns and people with air rifles that will be unaware of this change in law.
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Looks to me like the judges changed the law.
That is not their job, there job is the enforce the laws not change them.
 
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