In these days of computer aided 3D design and CNC machining, there is little excuse for creating a lazy, clunky, ####ty looking rifle.
New Non-res Black Rifle - Jard J48
- Thread starter sewktbk
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Mumbles Marble Mouth
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- Location
- Lower Mainland
If the price is right, hey looks like a good non-restricted AR-15 alternative. Cool stuff. I love how so much of the gun community is designing stuff just for our market. It shows that our market is strong and worth their time. I do agree though with the gun looking very ugly.
- Location
- Vancouver Island BC Canada
^That's a good point.
Cosmetics need improvement but I am interested.
Cosmetics need improvement but I am interested.
r34skyline
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Looks? I don't care how it looks, it needs to be light durable, and reliable, function is beautiful in its execution.
Nobody designed aks, ars, fal, g3, g36, scar, aug, tavor thinking wow that looks cool, knobs that purchased them later and put ### #### on it, maybe, but the actual weapon designers weren't thinking of what looks cool, they were after what works, to improve ergonomics and ease of use and what works functionally went on.
Or trying to hit a price point. Contrary to popular opinion, CNC machining time costs money.
Million dollar question is how many curves does it take to price the firearm out of its market segment.
Given the number of "if the price is right" statements earlier in the thread - the manufacturer just may know its customer base better than it is letting on.
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Or trying to hit a price point. Contrary to popular opinion, CNC machining time costs money.
Million dollar question is how many curves does it take to price the firearm out of its market segment.
Given the number of "if the price is right" statements earlier in the thread - the manufacturer just may know its customer base better than it is letting on.
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Tavors seem to be selling quite well, they aren't the cheapest firearms you know...
r34skyline
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That's a bit of a given, who is jard? What's their history? From what I understand it's a group of newbies. Top tier firearms are beautiful in their simplicity, but they are not simple to engineer. I very much doubt a nobody company like JARD has the engineering know how to put together a top shelf firearm. I'm not trying to be rude and disrespectful to the company, but it's like me starting a new firearms company. I am sympathetic to their ambition, but I'm not particularly hopeful for their future.
1) This looks like a civilian only company. They don't have the massive backings of the old giants ala colt fn hk etc. They don't have gov contracts bringing in money for them, or massive civvy sales, ala ruger, smith & wesson etc.
2) Not having a ton of money to start with means they can't really afford the cream of the crop of the firearm engineers
3) They can't afford extensive R&D, so even if they are to manage to put it all together they have one shot to get this right. Meaning it won't be tested extensively
4) Even if it manages to get through all of that, it won't be price competitive, because they don't have the scale of production.
I could be wrong and they just might beat all the odds, but realistically, this is some persons ambition(and I feel for them. I really do, I have many doodles of random semi auto firearms that I secretly hoped would see the light of day someday) and that person needs a good bit of luck in order for this to succeed. Especially in such a saturated market.
With the swiss and cz858 knocked out it is the only battle ready non res firearm, it's a bit of a given.
I'm one guy with no money and my CNC machined gun looked 1000x nicer than theirs. Nice aesthetic curves that added no additional cost to the machining.Or trying to hit a price point. Contrary to popular opinion, CNC machining time costs money.
Million dollar question is how many curves does it take to price the firearm out of its market segment.
Given the number of "if the price is right" statements earlier in the thread - the manufacturer just may know its customer base better than it is letting on.
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Yeah, I often have to remind myself that most people on CGN don't know my background anymore.
- Location
- WMU248 near Edmonton
ah the old days.......
- Location
- East of Home, West of the Rest
Now you gotta tell what that is...you can't leave us hangin like that
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/217784-This-is-not-an-AR15
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/205908-Kyle-Precision-Arms-Canadian-s-Holy-Grail
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/193949-Billet-AR180B-lower-range-report
Now you gotta tell what that is...you can't leave us hangin like that
I'm a journeyman machinist that does/did primarily CNC work. And no, I was not a button pushing machine attendant. I've designed and built a few firearms. Worked in the arms industry for a bit, still do some side work and "consulting".
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Wow, those threads sure bring back memories. Ah the days when I was full of energy, hope, and dreams.
The real world definitely #### all over those plans. The Kyle Precision one made me want to go back in time and punch my younger self in the face.
