An evening with Barney (TacticalTeacher)

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So tonight I headed up to Collingwood with my M14 and a bottle of J'Lohr Cabernet for a one-on-one Norinco turd-polishing clinic with Barney. From reading on here I thought I had come across a decent rifle, but I had nothing in the way of experience to compare it to, and after all it's a Norc I was completely expecting it to need some refining. First thing we do is compare mine to the Springfield and of course now I want to start stashing cash away for a build on an American receiver. Anyway under Barney's watchful eye and pointing finger my rifle starts coming apart, every little step explained as we go. And this is when I realized I have to lay off caffeine, mixed with excitement I do a damn good Michael J Fox impression. Doesn't lend well to working on one of these things. We get it torn apart and find it really didn't need anything except a little lovetap to get the op-rod aligned just a little better. Even the gas lock timed perfectly as is. Barney had a Fulton bolt on hand and we tried it out. Turns out with just a little lapping it would have been a perfect fit. Nice bit of info to have. So we put it back together, little bit of hammer work on the splines of the barrel for the gas cylinder and flash hider for a nice tight fit, and then the NM sight on my Chinese flash hider. Let's just say it's press fit. This rifle had a little of that infamous ping before, now I can't pick it up without it ringing out. Then Barney gives me a crash course on the trigger group, where to grease it, and how to do his Hockey Night in Canada trigger touch up. No Dremel's or files allowed. And of course hands me a USGI group for comparison, and there's no comparison.

After mine was done part two was pulling a barrel off of a SA receiver, seeing all the tools all the M14 guys have came up with over the years to make it a lot easier than I expected it to be. And I left with a homework assignment to turn a little whoops moment barrel into more tools to keep making this M14 habit that much easier.


There's a ton I'm forgetting to mention, but if you get a chance to do a clinic with Barney, just do it. I learned more than I hoped to and had a blast doing it.
 
Wish I lived closer to Barney, or 45acpking for that matter. I'd love to get an intensive gunsmith level of knowledge on these rifles.
 
Both are really good guys as teachers and fellow shooters. You can't go wrong.

Especially for a bottle of JLohr Cabernet. I don't drink often, but when I do, it's JLohr Cabernet from California. :cool:

Get those 10K rpm Dremel tools away from them trigger groups! :)
ha ha ha ha

Cheers and keep helping them nooobies out there! :wave:

Barney
 
agreed , around EDM would be nice since its a 1-2hr drive max from most places lol.
well accept from places where it isnt :p

I am working on the AB represent'n this coming August 2015. I'm homesick for the West and I need my fill of a road trip. I committed to the ORA to run the PR Match program and I did my part. Even turned in a decent chunk of change (no big secret here, it's in the Fin Report at the last ORA Council Mtg) from this season. Now It's my turn to head west once again this summer! :wave:

We have a few months to sort out the booking arrangements, but this season I WILL be there! :evil:

Gotta do out best to prevent #### LOSS ! :)

Now put down that Dremel Tool ! :nest:

Cheers and keep helping them nooobies! :wave:

Barney
 
Ya know what I want?

I would like to see a chit house Norinco M14 right out of the box, do a range report...and then let the gurus do their thing and test it again so that we could make a real world comparison. The problem I had with mine was that I didn't know my way around the M14 and everyone had an opinion that conflicted with everyone else's. When you are on your own with no experience...who do you believe? I sold mine off and bought an M1A. I am a shooter, not a 'turd polisher'... (and no offense meant to you guys that can actually turn one of these into a keeper).
 
no offence here so take this how you would like but.
So instead of shooting the one you had or spending maybe 250$ on it for a NM springguide +spring , gas shim's and a replacement stock (if you bought the synthetic). you sold it and picked up a 2000-2400$ rifle instead which likely wont be that much different then a tuned up norinco?

thats entirely your choice but i would have seen how the nornico shot first before panic selling it.

And as far as who do you believe? Clean And shoot the gun and believe what it tells you , maybe its a 1" grouper right out of the box maybe it has a loose gas system and it needs a shim you have to shoot and also disassemble and look these or any gun for that matter over.

The NM match guide or even the one from m14.ca is cheap and is about the only thing that basically everyone recomends and even on a normal m1a they recomend doing it so no difference.
 
Hey Barney….that tweaked M305 shorty you sold me shot great! Too bad the finish was a little rough looking and blotchy(damn those school kids on the assembly line). I guess I'm a bit of a snob when it comes to "looks".
The M305 is gone now replaced by a SA SOCOM16….which shoots at least as good(in my newbie hands) as the Norc but finished and looks much nicer. IMO…MY money well spent. YMMV.
 
Another East meets West Part 2? Perhaps Thomas could be persuaded to participate again? The first one was pretty epic and I would totally do it again.

I am working on the AB represent'n this coming August 2015. I'm homesick for the West and I need my fill of a road trip. I committed to the ORA to run the PR Match program and I did my part. Even turned in a decent chunk of change (no big secret here, it's in the Fin Report at the last ORA Council Mtg) from this season. Now It's my turn to head west once again this summer! :wave:

We have a few months to sort out the booking arrangements, but this season I WILL be there! :evil:

Gotta do out best to prevent #### LOSS ! :)

Now put down that Dremel Tool ! :nest:

Cheers and keep helping them nooobies! :wave:

Barney
 
no offence here so take this how you would like but.
So instead of shooting the one you had or spending maybe 250$ on it for a NM springguide +spring , gas shim's and a replacement stock (if you bought the synthetic). you sold it and picked up a 2000-2400$ rifle instead which likely wont be that much different then a tuned up norinco?

thats entirely your choice but i would have seen how the nornico shot first before panic selling it.

And as far as who do you believe? Clean And shoot the gun and believe what it tells you , maybe its a 1" grouper right out of the box maybe it has a loose gas system and it needs a shim you have to shoot and also disassemble and look these or any gun for that matter over.

The NM match guide or even the one from m14.ca is cheap and is about the only thing that basically everyone recomends and even on a normal m1a they recomend doing it so no difference.

No offense taken.

For me it came down to three things: economics, confidence and (I'm embarrassed to admit), snob appeal. To get my Norc to shoot I would have to buy all the parts (the stocks on them are junk too); drive to the nearest M14 wizard - probably in BC - rack up gas and hotel bills...and end up with a gun that is potentially no better than when I started. For a few more bucks I get a loaded M1A, produced by a company that understands and applies QA/QC procedures and certifies the headspacing on the gun. Take it out, fire 9 shots to zero it - and you are off to the races. If you have an issue, you get on the phone and talk it out with the factory and the supplier. The snob appeal (for me) is that you won't see Norcs in the winner's circle at Camp Perry.

These things are heavily influenced by personal experience too. I have not personally seen what I would call 'good' shooting with the Norcs I see at my range. I have seen a LOT of stinkers and owned one myself. The springfields I have seen shot like dreams. When ya get to be my age and a few of the bills get paid off, and the kids move out...you have a bit more money for the finer things in life and for me that was an M1A. This is a rifle I am proud to own and pass on to the kids.
 
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