Unfortunate M1A failure.

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For anyone not a member of m14forums, have a look at this crazy break in a receiver, lots of good questions and input, and good info to learn from.

http://m14forum.com/modern-m14/172001-you-win-some-you-lose-some-rip-m1a.html

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One more very good reason I'll never own a springfield armory inc M1A
I'd agree with the posters on m14forum that the sage chassis probably saved the shooter some serious injuries.
 
I agree to the mount and stock held it together, but at the same time Springfield has made thousands and thousands of rifles, just with anything thats mass produced a few bad eggs are bound to slip in. I still want and intend to get an M1A once my current build is done.
 
45ACPKING said:
One more very good reason I'll never own a springfield armory inc M1A
I'd agree with the posters on m14forum that the sage chassis probably saved the shooter some serious injuries.
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X2 that's why I am still holding on to a Brand new in cosmo 2007 Norinco saved for future build unless I can afford a LRB.
 
CeeJay said:
I agree to the mount and stock held it together, but at the same time Springfield has made thousands and thousands of rifles, just with anything thats mass produced a few bad eggs are bound to slip in. I still want and intend to get an M1A once my current build is done.
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It didn't just break though. the receiver snapped in both places.
the fact they are mass produced doesn't excuse failures like that without a true cause such as over loaded cartridges or a plugged barrel.
Try telling someone who gets their eyes destroyed that well its bound to happen with mass produced rifles.

a 2000$ rifle should not ever have failures like this. with the premium they cost they should have great QC and over engineered receivers.
 
leonard said:
It didn't just break though. the receiver snapped in both places.
the fact they are mass produced doesn't excuse failures like that without a true cause such as over loaded cartridges or a plugged barrel.
Try telling someone who gets their eyes destroyed that well its bound to happen with mass produced rifles.

a 2000$ rifle should not ever have failures like this. with the premium they cost they should have great QC and over engineered receivers.
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I am not trying to make excuses here for anything, as still the exact cause of the failure is still unknown, I agree a $2000 should not have failures like that.
 
If that rifle was in a normal stock when that happened I shudder at the lawsuit that would come when I think of the life changing injury potential.
Warranties don't cover eyeballs, cheekbones, frontal brain lobe, teeth, jawbones, hands, fingers, forearms and I could go on.
I'll give you springfield fans one thing, yer not just loyal... Yer fricken brave LOL
 
I note that the fired cartridge case was normal. This means that there was no loss of containment of high pressure gas. Would the chassis stock have been able to act as a locking system to keep the bolt closed, if the receiver failure occurred while pressures were still high?
 
I started out here bashing Norinco's with no real personal experience and a definite bias against buying a rifle made in China for political reasons. That and their reputation for making garbage consumer products in general. There have been many reports of catastrophic failures on them where bolt lugs have failed and barrels have actually come off but for some reason the price seems to make this acceptable to people. Some buyers change out a bunch of their parts and others give up on them. My attitude has changed somewhat and recently set a friend up with one that wasn't prepared to pay more money. He seemed to get a pretty decent one but his round count is very low.

This broken Springfield receiver is the only one I've seen that has not been traced to bad ammunition (so far). There may be others but overall their reputation is pretty good it's true that some small components fail but they are easy to replace with GI parts. I'd recommend a guy do it right out of the gate.

LRB have a reputation that's hard to beat but they also come at a premium price. A standard SAI is just over half the cost of LRB. $3200 is a big jump up from $1800. JRA kind of splits the difference cost wise and looks to be a very nice product.

There are lots of guys here graduating from Norinco to SAI but much fewer making the next leap to LRB. I don't see anyone going backwards. So put up your hands. Who here is selling their M1A and going back to Norinco?
 
Seafury said:
There are lots of guys here graduating from Norinco to SAI but much fewer making the next leap to LRB. I don't see anyone going backwards. So put up your hands. Who here is selling their M1A and going back to Norinco?
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Even if there was room in my cabinet I don't buy Norc's to keep.
Norc's get me into the platform cheaply(1911's, AR's, "M14", etc) to test the waters. If I like it(the platform) the Norc gets sold for better fit & finish. That said, the only Norc I'm hanging onto is the 1887 Terminator SG because of its uniqueness….(I'm such a snob) but I digress.
 
Needing mods isn't really the issue or a point to knock. Buy a $550ish hundred dollar gun, and add $500 in parts and you are still looking at less than a Springfield. Plus for those of us that struggle to leave things stock, buying a $1500 rifle and adding parts is a little much. If you have the funds giver. Sure the norc is gonna take work (anyone who expects perfection out of the box is kidding themselves), but I would be playing around with it either way.

But in this example, the norc has a forged receiver versus the cast SA receiver. Buy what you can afford, do what makes you happy, but the guy buying the norinco doesn't always need to be treated like a lesser human because he spent less than the guy buying the Springfield.
 
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