paris gunman with a VZ58 compact

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I was watching the news of the paris gunman pledging his alliance to isis , he had a VZ58 compact beside him, this is the first time I saw a VZ58 being used , usually they use krinkov.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/paris-gunman-amedy-coulibaly-pledges-allegiance-to-isis-in-video-1.2897127
 

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Douche had a bunch of mags too ^

Said Kouachi posted photos of guns on his Facebook page before the attack.

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Thanks st1264 for posting the link and pics.

and here I thought france had a stricter gun law than us but I see they can shoot AK at the range and buy the latest VZ model , the compact.

also I wonder if the wounded officer in the supermarket was due to friendly fire cos the first officer that ran in with the shield ran to the right while his fellow officers on the right were still firing ?
 
France's gun laws courtesy of Wikipedia:
In France, to buy a firearm, a hunting license or a shooting sport license is necessary. All semi-automatic rifles with a capacity greater than 3 rounds, all handguns and all rifles chambered in 'military' calibers, including bolt action, require permits. These are known as B1, B2 and B4 type permits. Firearms are divided into eight categories that determine the regulations that apply to their possession and use. France also sets limits on the number of cartridges that can be kept at home (1000 rounds per gun).
The total number of firearms owned by an individual is also subject to limits (not possible to have more than 12 authorizations/permits on B1, B2 and B4 type firearms).[27] As of September, 2013, France has a capacity limit of 20 rounds for handguns;[28] one needs a permit for category one[clarification needed] semi-automatics that have a capacity greater than 3 rounds. Fully automatic firearms are illegal for civilian ownership.
 
You have to remember there no border controls with the EU between member countries, so smuggling of firearms is a problem from Eastern European countries.
 
CSA was selling them in good numbers to Belgium. To France they exported few hundred in 222. If able to zoom on the serial number just call CSA and ask them where they sold it, they will know right away they are very small manufacturer. If it is CSA most likely it came from export CSA is not too popular in Czech republic since they are US owned
 
Interesting....that small detail could be a VERY big piece of evidence in uncovering a supply line. Ya never know, typically if you could see that serial #, one think that there is a trail of money and ya know what they say about following the money?
 
Punisher-One said:
France's gun laws courtesy of Wikipedia:
In France, to buy a firearm, a hunting license or a shooting sport license is necessary. All semi-automatic rifles with a capacity greater than 3 rounds, all handguns and all rifles chambered in 'military' calibers, including bolt action, require permits. These are known as B1, B2 and B4 type permits. Firearms are divided into eight categories that determine the regulations that apply to their possession and use. France also sets limits on the number of cartridges that can be kept at home (1000 rounds per gun).
The total number of firearms owned by an individual is also subject to limits (not possible to have more than 12 authorizations/permits on B1, B2 and B4 type firearms).[27] As of September, 2013, France has a capacity limit of 20 rounds for handguns;[28] one needs a permit for category one[clarification needed] semi-automatics that have a capacity greater than 3 rounds. Fully automatic firearms are illegal for civilian ownership.
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Sounds like they have more guns available to them and less stringent mag limits than us.
 
silver69 said:
Interesting....that small detail could be a VERY big piece of evidence in uncovering a supply line. Ya never know, typically if you could see that serial #, one think that there is a trail of money and ya know what they say about following the money?
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Since this person committed first degree murders with a firearm under his control, to go out on a limb I would say the trail started where the intent started and / or when the firearm went missing from the legit juristiction or owner and converged with the criminal, I would guess.

This sort of thing is like discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Also reminds me of the strange 1990s assertion that limitation of liability does not apply in cases where firearms end up in criminal use, or in the hands of child soldiers in far off conflict zones, despite the due dilligence of the last lawful owner.

A sketchy legal road to start travelling on.

To add, I would imagine the French authorities already have a pretty good idea what is going on with this investigation.
 
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agreed.

FeistyLemur said:
The odds of anyone in the mainstream news calling that anything but an ak-47 are probably about zero percent. And this is one time I'm pretty okay with that.
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don't you mean less guns(max. 12) ? also max 1000 rounds of ammo , I guess there is no point in selling crate of ammo .

yes, I was surprised that there are no limits on mag capacity .

st1264 said:
Sounds like they have more guns available to them and less stringent mag limits than us.
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News source said that one of the men he killed in the kosher market was a would-be hero. One of the terrorist's weapons jammed and he set it down on a counter and continued brandishing the other one - the unfortunate fellow saw an opportunity, snatched up the weapon, and attempted to shoot the terrorist with it - but he was unable to get it operational before he was gunned down. I see that the terrorist had two VZ-58s; Now i wonder which one was the one that jammed?
 
on USA today .

"The victims were flown to Israel at the request of their families. The expenses were covered by a French Jewish organization."

im guessing the families plan to leave france in the future cos they don't feel safe .


fat tony said:
An interesting aspect to this ongoing story is that 4 of the murdered civilians have been laid to rest in Israel. I don't know of the specific details, in any case these are private citizens and they can be laid to rest wherever their estate specifies.
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