Single pistol safe legal in Canada?
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The safe itself is legal but keep in mind that you cannot store a loaded firearm in Canada. Anything goes in the US but things are different here. I suppose u could keep you ammo separate in a handy location but it rather defeats the purpose that this safe was designed for. Finally, be aware that if you are thinking of using a firearm for home defense in Canada, you may be in for more trouble than originally planned. The way our silly a$$ed law works, the criminal has more rights than you do. U may have to do a bit of research into this but we do not have the Castle doctrine like other countries do. No worries, your government will protect you as will the law enforcement (eyes rolling).
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Ammo can be stored with a firearm(not in the firearm) in a safe. Please don't give out false info.
I was always under the impression that the box has to be a designated "safe", and as long as the manufacture's documentation calls it a "safe" you can store an unloaded, non-trigger locked handgun in there, along with a non-inserted loaded mag. Anything other than that is just a cabinet, and requires a trigger lock on a restricted. Or can "vault" and "safe" be used interchangeably in this case?
Please read the post carefully! Its stated that a LOADED firearm cannot be stored. Nothing was stated that ammo could not be stored in a safe. Looking at this safe(the clue here is go and look at the safe itself, dont assume it is a regular safe of typical design) it does not appear to hold anything other than the gun itself. If there is sufficient room in the safe for a mag or ammo then you can store it within the safe but not in the gun itself. Hopefully this makes it clearer for you.
no offense, but I am pretty sure daBear was inferring to "loaded firearm" not store with the firearm.
If you can't store the loaded mag in the safe with the gun, it really defeats the purpose of the safe - ammo can't be readily accessible as per 6(c) if the ammo's not securely stored together with or separately from the gun in a container, safe or vault, etc. Gun must also be stored unloaded - that means no loaded mag in the mag well, even if the chamber is empty. The cost of defending a defensive gun use is at least $50,000-$75,000 and even then, does not guaranty success.
STORAGE OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS
6. An individual may store a restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.
STORAGE OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS
6. An individual may store a restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.
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Plus, it's not clear whether that thing would even be considered a "safe" under the Firearms Act, seeing how it's portable and only weighs 3.7 kg. If it doesn't meet the "safe" standard and is therefore a "cabinet", it would have to be trigger locked too.
The manufacturer's designation is of no relevance. You can market a cardboard box as a "safe" but that doesn't mean that the court will agree. In R. v. Barnes, the court defined a "safe" as a metal container with a secure lock.
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Post up the definition of safe under the firearms act, the exact specifications as to size and weight to qualify, as well as the "safe standard"
Please if you dont know the law dont post about it.
Shawn
Being a lawyer and having acted on storage-related cases, I like to think that I have some knowledge in this area. What are your qualifications?
The definition of safe is not in the Firearms Act, which means that it will be up to the judge to determine what is considered a safe (see R. v. Barnes for an example).
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No you didn't,
You implied that some how this being small and only weighing 3.7kg might some how make this not meet the mythical "safe standard" the you claim exists. And then in a later post you post the ruling of a single case in Ont provincial court which holds no weight any where but there, in reference to advertising.
So go head post it up
Shawn
