Using the four "C's" in firearm terminology.

Why?

The exact reason for this thread, old school people spreading information that is incorrect and not willing to change terminology.

I suspect everyone here knows the difference between a FAC and a PAL. I'm talking non-gun owner/non-gunnut.
 
Boo,


It's nice that you can google a definition, then copy and paste it. I was going to use "firearm", but I didn't want to get to tech savy.
 
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I find that most people seem to understand what is being said in various posts in this forum.

That is because the human brain is a wonderful thing and most people are able to see through the garbage to get the meaning of some of the worst gibberish around.

Even Kamlooky with his intentionally unique dialect seems to have no problem getting his meanings across. (Well most of the time anyways. ;) )
 
So we as group can communicate properly and accurately. Please excuse my punctuation, grammer and spelling.

I agree with your general overall sentiment. It can irk me just a little when blatant misuse occurs.

However, your post is quite ironic and don't think it was intended as such. You're admonishing us for using incorrect language when you yourself are too lazy to care about the correct usage of punctuation, grammar, and spelling?

Not an ex-teacher, per chance?
 
The pot calling the kettle black. It's the same thing when people use the term mag to describe the clip for a rifle or handgun. Just have to accept it as they will never change.

One thing in the whole clip/mag debate (and I hope other francophones here chime in) - I can't remember a magazine ever being called anything other than "une clip" by my Dad or relatives. As someone else said - as long as it's not a safety issue, hey. I don't know if it has changed or not, but when gun dealers had to log ammo sales in Ontario, they had to record "calibre". So the place I bought my ammo at the time would record ammo sales as .308, .311. .223. .458, etc. If our biggest concern as gun owners is terminology, we will definitely be living in a nice world.
 
I agree with your general overall sentiment. It can irk me just a little when blatant misuse occurs.

However, your post is quite ironic and don't think it was intended as such. You're admonishing us for using incorrect language when you yourself are too lazy to care about the correct usage of punctuation, grammar, and spelling?

Not an ex-teacher, per chance?

Nope,I just gots my grade 8, I have my FAC though. I shoot a 270 win calibre at mooses with my gun that fits 4 shells in the clip. Oh but I don't like hunting if it's -40 with the windsheild.
 
Here is an example of how English has changed in the last thousand years. A thousand years from now - if humans are still on this planet - it will still be evolving.


‘Ðunor cymð of hætan & of wætan. Seo lyft tyhð þone wætan to hire neoðan & ða hætan ufan.’


May be "translated" word-for-word as:


Thunder comes from heat and from moisture. The air draws the moisture to it from below and the heat from above.
 
One thing in the whole clip/mag debate (and I hope other francophones here chime in) - I can't remember a magazine ever being called anything other than "une clip" by my Dad or relatives.............

Hey Frenchie !
I'm from the west, and as you say ...... they were always called/referenced as 'clips' ....... magazine was something that you read while sitting on the can/john. Even the sales and manufacturing companies called them clips. I suspect some of the 'hip youngsters' are trying to re-invent the wheel here.

How's your 'Habitants' doing ? ........ or, are you a Leaf ? (grinning like a Cheshire cat)
 
I suspect everyone here knows the difference between a FAC and a PAL. I'm talking non-gun owner/non-gunnut.

I still hear firearms owners referring to their firearms licenses as FACs. And a good percentage of them, most certainly are not familiar with many of the firearms regulations. If they actually knew the regulations, they would not be posting the questions that they do, asking about the firearms regulations.
 
Hey Frenchie !
I'm from the west, and as you say ...... they were always called/referenced as 'clips' ....... magazine was something that you read while sitting on the can/john. Even the sales and manufacturing companies called them clips. I suspect some of the 'hip youngsters' are trying to re-invent the wheel here.

How's your 'Habitants' doing ? ........ or, are you a Leaf ? (grinning like a Cheshire cat)

Sens fan, but hey, long live Leafs fan. I love 'em - they've shown time and again that they can be good losers! :) I'd love to hear from more of the Frenchies, as you say. I know that when I was younger, no one called 'em mags (in French).
 
I HATE it when someone doesn't know the difference between a rifle and a gun. A firearm chambered in 7mm R.M. is a RIFLE not a GUN.

A gun is a firearm or weapon that has a metal tube where bullets are fired at a high velocity into a flat ballistic arc while a rifle is a weapon or firearm that has a long barrel that is rifled or grooved giving bullets spinning motion for greater accuracy at a long range.

A gun is designed to be used by a crew or a group of people while a rifle is designed for individual use.

A gun is usually mounted, but it can also be portable to be fired at a distance from the body while a rifle is fired from the shoulder of the user.

Guns are used in tank, artillery, and field combat while rifles are used by sharpshooters and in hunting.

Examples of guns are mortars, cannons, machine guns, tank guns, howitzers, and Gatling guns while examples of rifles are air rifles, automatic rifles like the AK-47 and M16, etc.



In the world of small arms "gun" should be used to describe a smooth bore weapon.

In the world of artillery, a "gun" is used for direct fire, whether smooth bore or rifled.
If it uses indirect fire, i.e., lobs its shells, it's a howitzer.
If it fires at an angle of 45 degrees or greater, it's a mortar.

.68 calibre probably comes up a little short, despite its fake military heritage. However, I did use the British spelling of "calibre", and since it doesn't take cartridges, or have a chamber and does take bullets (or a least ball) so it will henseforth be referred to a .68 calibre hand cannon.

About the other sidearms, the ones with rifling. Can they properly be called guns?

My first post was in response to the definitions given by 'Boo'; a gun is not just a crew served weapon. The definitions in the world of artillery are quite specific. Machineguns may or may not be crew served, but they are not artillery. Nor are sub machineguns. They are not called machine rifles, but machineguns.. Mortars are artillery, but the modern muzzle fed mortar is not called a gun.

"Gun" has been used as a catch-all for all small arms, and this is not just a recent development, nor bad English. If you read a gun book by a British author, when they use the term "gun", you can be 99% sure they mean a shotgun. When they mean rifle, revolver, pistol, they typically say so. On the other hand you have the "The Gun and It's Development", by W.W. Greener, covering all types.

It doesn't really bother me if you call your revolver a pistol or your pistol a gun. What did bother me was the post above, claiming to hate the misuse of terminology, when they don't have a clear understanding of the terminology themselves.
 
As long as you use the proper shells in whichever pattern of boomstick you have it doesn't matter if you use chargers or single load.
 
As long as you use the proper shells in whichever pattern of boomstick you have it doesn't matter if you use chargers or single load.

Unfortunately not everyone knows enough about cartridges to even know which ammunition to use in their firearm. I watched one fellow fire a whole box of ammunition, only to discover that he was shooting 300win mag loads in a 300 Weatherby rifle. He thought that a 300 magnum was a 300 magnum, so any 300 magnum ammunition was suitable for his rifle. He simply purchased the cheapest 300 magnum ammunition that Canadian Tire had, and went out to the range to try out his new rifle. If it wasn't for me noticing that his fired brass looked strange, he would not have even known that there was a problem.

That is just one more reason why a person should have a decent understanding of cartridges.
 
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I wonder how anyone ever found a place like Canadian Gun nutz with gun being such a incorrect blanket statement and nutz being spelled wrong? Somehow people seem to bumble along and get the right shells in their deer-guns, and if they happen to call their PAL a FAC gun people older than 6 seem to know what they are calling about. When talking to non-gun people they are more likely to call it a gun-licence anyway, even if it doesn't allow us to have a artillery piece or a machine gun. Unfortunate thing, that.

Guess what? The smart guys aren't as smart as they think they are, and those dumb ones aren't as dumb as they seem.
 
How's your 'Habitants' doing ? ........ or, are you a Leaf ? (grinning like a Cheshire cat)

I would say on par with the Jets,Oilers and Vancouver without rioting when we lose a game.
 
Some very famous people - writers and hunters alike, have used the terms shotty, clip and guns among other things without worrying about trivial crap like " oh my ,I'm using the wrong terminology or slang "
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