Production gun modifications IPSC
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you may put aftermarket sights, a recoil spring of different rate, and a ss guide rod,skateboard grip...that's about it.
Would that mean a Tanfoglio Stock (type) can have a trigger components replaced by tanfoglio factory parts? According to Appendix D4 an OEM part Original Equipment Manufacturer parts are ok. I guess getting Extreme Hammers and components for a Tanfo is completely legit. As long as machining beyond getting them to fit is never performed.
Appendix D4
Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific model
handgun on the IPSC approved handgun list are permitted, subject to the following:
16.1
Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably
required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components), are prohibited. Other prohibited
modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. flared, enlarged and/or add-on
magwells, etc.), changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or adding stripes, stippling or other embellishments.
16.2
Magazines accessible to a competitor during a COF must not contain more than 15 rounds at the Start
Signal. Identifying marks or decals, internal capacity limiters, bumper pads and additional witness holes,
which add or remove negligible weight to/from magazines, are permitted.
16.3
Sights may be trimmed, adjusted and/or have colors applied. Sights may also be fitted with fiber optic or
similar inserts.
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My guess would be to avoid people painting their stuff with high-friction textures and the sort.... Besides, you can just buy a factory pink gun if they shoot faster. Maybe thats why Ganderite has the pink FMK 9C1...
Like anything, if people think they have an advantage, they will take it. Guys were painting their guns to draw acquisition of the sights, finding the magwell easier...glow in the dark paint..you name it.
The spirit of production is that you are supposed to take gun that you could possibly carry for work (where allowed) and complete with it. Unfortunately, there are now factory produced guns that are actually designed for competition and have a significant advantage. IPSC does not allow you to do a trigger job but it seems there is no easy way to enforce that and most people have noticed that production guns often have way nicer trigger pulls than a gun at the store. USPSA says you can do whatever you want to the inside of the production gun as long as it doesn't show on the outside. That's probably a better rule since we know a lot of people are modifying their trigger pulls anyway. The most popular guns for production are probably the CZ SP01 shadow and the Tanfoglio Stock II. If you are just starting out, shoot what you already own and once you decide you love the sport, then look to get once of the more popular guns.
I have a Stock 1 not 2 and the trigger is awful.
Not calling anyone out. Even Eric Grauffel will tell you the same thing in his interviews. It's almost impossible to police.
I could care less as I think shooter skill trumps this factor anyways. My opinion would be to follow the USPSA rule for modifications and just have a minimum double action trigger pull then who cares what you do.
A broken spring is legal, but trimming your spring isn't. But there is no way to tell the difference without pulling the gun apart, and even then...
Little things like that. It would be way to time-consuming to inspect everyones guns internally, so it is up to the competitor to be on the up and up...
And well, we know how some people like every little bit of help they can get. (Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, A.Rod.... ect ect) So even if they DID inspect guns internally, there would still be cheaters.
Sadly, there isn't much you can do about it, there will always be someone trying to cheat, whether its through exploiting the system or just outright cheating. (Which of course there will always be both of them around...)
I am not calling out anyone. I don't even shoot production. I used Eric's comment to add weight to the argument that production modification rules are being abused and there is no easy way to enforce them. When a rule is difficult to enforce, it needs to be changed. I am suggesting that in this case, the USPSA rules are better because then everyone in production can modify their trigger for a better pull and nobody is at a disadvantage. You don't seem to believe this is happening but even the best guy in the world knows it is happening. Believe what you want to believe. I have nothing else to say on this topic to you as you seem to be trying to coax me into some argument about calling out specific people that are cheating. I would never do such a thing. I shoot the Open division so I don't have to worry about what anyone else is doing to their gun. They can pretty much do what they want
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