Bigfoot 870
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Regarding a new "base" model, is the Sig really worth $300 more? If so, why?
Sig P226 vs Berreta 96A1 in .40 S&W
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The Sig P226 is certainly more durable than the Beretta and I prefer the ergonomics on the Sig, specially the decocker mounted on the frame rather than on the slide. Also, the magazine release is very hard to reach on the Beretta. It's still a great gun but it's an old design compared to the newer guns out there.
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I will never part with my 92a1 or mk25 so the obvious answer is to buy both!
Bigfoot 870
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Bigfoot 870
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Well, the Italian made 9mm civilian model 92, when redesigned to the A1 model, got a beefed up frame. The model 96A1, which is specifically designed for .40 S&W, has additional features built in, to deal with the extra energy that the .40 has. The Beretta is reliable. Is the Sig worth the extra money?
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/96-a1/
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/96-a1/
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I personally think the Sig is worth the extra money, but then I'm very partial to the Sigs. I've tried Beretta , S&W (M&P), one Glock I couldn't get rid of fast enough. Mostly for me, it is the ergonomics, as they just fit me so well. But I personally believe that the quality and build are worth the extra. Others may disagree. Get what works for you in your hand, not in your wallet. If the Sig feels better, save up. If you like the Beretta, get it. Only you can know.
I thought the beretta's were supposed to have amazing durability? Didn't they blow the competition away in the US military durability testing?
Sigs are very overpriced imo but if you love them then I guess you'll be happy. I've never understood the big deal about them; I think it's one of those things where people decided they're good and keep repeating it to each other to justify buying them, which begins the cycle again.
Sigs are very overpriced imo but if you love them then I guess you'll be happy. I've never understood the big deal about them; I think it's one of those things where people decided they're good and keep repeating it to each other to justify buying them, which begins the cycle again.
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When was this established?
We run all these pistols on a commercial range, speak to any other range operators. Beretta's break often and don't last long.
The testing was done in the early 1980's. Guns have progressed lots since then. Furthermore, the SIGs outperformed them but were more expensive.
Progressed all the way to the point that people now say Beretta's are not durable? But they were in the 80's?
Since you're a gun range with a lot of rentals, could you please give us your wisdom about what lasts and what doesn't?
How do Sig P226 models hold up in 9mm and .40, with the aluminum frame (which is apparently inferior to steel and polymer)? At what point do you scrap them?
How do the Sigs hold up compared to the Glocks or other polymer guns?
How about CZs?
What breaks a lot on the Berettas? I have heard that Beretta 96 in .40 just beats itself to death with the .40 round and small parts break on the 92 models but have never heard anybody confirm it with firsthand experience.
Thank-you!
The big deal about Sigs is that they always go bang no matter what you feed them and the accuracy is very good. Are they worth the extra money only you can decide that but of all the guns I own the one I would use if it absolutely had to work is my Sig 226. Many thousands of rounds without any problems and I mean any. From day one it has always worked. Are they perfect? No but no gun is, certainly not a mass produced one. As I understand it the main reason they Beretta won out over the Sig for the US Military was the cost difference.
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That's news, are they common parts or a variety of failures..
They might brake often because they used often. On one range I have seen about 10 glocks of various flavors and only one Beretta. Yet it is taken by someone most of the time. Let's factor in rounds count to be fare.
Note what Todd Green (ToddG) has to say here:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2158-Beretta-96D
Long story short, the .40 versions have only about a 10,000 round service life due to frame cracking.
Yes, take a look sometime at the guns available at the time. Most are no longer in production. In fact SIG has made numerous production changes over this time. Beretta has even made a few.
Most modern production guns (SIG, Glock, HK, CZ, Kimber) are quite durable and we expect to see at least 80,000rds through them while they are on the range. Minor parts replacement is expected too but on most guns a recoil spring every 5,000rds or so is about all that is required. We scrap a gun when the frame fails. Frame construction means very little, they all break and all the big brands break only after very high round counts. We have run a half dozen Beretta 92 pistols over the past 4 years. Most were written off after less than 20,000rds. Two are still in service. All require constant replacement of small parts (safety, trigger, decocker etc).
Since we log round count it really does not matter what guns are more popular.
