Looking for 45 degree BUIS?

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Hey all,

I've seen 45 degree back up iron sights on some of the forum sponsors but ran across these today. I may order a set to try them and wanted to share with ya'll as well. They look like a pretty solid non-flip copy.

http://www.amazon.ca/TACTICAL-EXCLUSIVE-Degree-Transition-Backup/dp/B009EVIXLY/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_cp_2_5CT3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1Q10QH26JJ34M1Y593T3

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Who actually uses these things? I keep hearing guys say how usefull they are if your oiptic fails but what optics are people using that fail?

I would literaly have to smash the rifle on the ground or run it over to kill it and then the BUIS are also going to be broken and probably the rifle too.
 
Brian46 said:
Who actually uses these things? I keep hearing guys say how useful they are if your optic fails but what optics are people using that fail?

I would literaly have to smash the rifle on the ground or run it over to kill it and then the BUIS are also going to be broken and probably the rifle too.
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It isn't just about failing. Batteries run out, and even good ones can be finicky especially in extreme cold. Additionally, glass can fog up when transitioning from very cold to warm and back.

Lastly, 45 degree offset sights (whether irons of red dots) are useful even when the primary is functioning. If your primary is a 4-16X, and you need to make a close-in shot, on minimum power your 4X is probably going to be slower than an offset iron/red dot.

Don't write off the 45 degree thing. I used to think it was hokey too. But it has its place.
 
They are great, but hard to find...Ask Martin at DS Tactical, nd Shane or John at Reliable gun...I have purchased from both of them in the past.
 
Benito said:
It isn't just about failing. Batteries run out, and even good ones can be finicky especially in extreme cold. Additionally, glass can fog up when transitioning from very cold to warm and back.

Lastly, 45 degree offset sights (whether irons of red dots) are useful even when the primary is functioning. If your primary is a 4-16X, and you need to make a close-in shot, on minimum power your 4X is probably going to be slower than an offset iron/red dot.

Don't write off the 45 degree thing. I used to think it was hokey too. But it has its place.
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not for me, just dead weight and more bulk
 
Benito said:
It isn't just about failing. Batteries run out, and even good ones can be finicky especially in extreme cold. Additionally, glass can fog up when transitioning from very cold to warm and back.

Lastly, 45 degree offset sights (whether irons of red dots) are useful even when the primary is functioning. If your primary is a 4-16X, and you need to make a close-in shot, on minimum power your 4X is probably going to be slower than an offset iron/red dot.

Don't write off the 45 degree thing. I used to think it was hokey too. But it has its place.
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Agreed......scopes can fog up,rain,snow,your breath on a cold day....coyote pops up unexpected at close range or getting onto a fast mover bouncing thru cover....BUIS make pre-sighting in a new scope a breeze with no ammo wasted.....lotsa benefits to a secondary.I'm currently shopping for BUIS options as well.
Really liking the low profile of the XS-ITS 45o/s....not liking the price so much though,lol....compared to the $30 Amazon sights though,the XS sights are lower(better snag resistance),tritium enhanced,and look to be pretty solid?
https://www.xssights.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=993112&CAT=8279

My other brainwave is to maybe just piggyback BUIS on top of 3-9x40 in it's PEPR mount......sorta like the integrated secondaries on ACOGs,Elcans etc?Drawback to that is it will have a fairly short sight plane on the PEPR rails,but not much different then an ACOG I spose(?).....and having a helluva time finding a set of low profile,non-flip-up,rail mounted sights...any ideas??
Seems to be several options for the rear such as LPA Ghost rings etc....but everything I've found from scouring the web is intended for shotguns/rear sight only,and no rail mounted front sights.....argggggg!!
 
crashcollins said:
I'd consider them if I could find lefthanded. Also been thinking about angled mounts and low profile flip ups for lefty use.
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Both the Amazons posted in the OP,as well as the XS-XTI sights that I posted link to are ambi....just flip them around for left hand use.
Other than buying an LPA rear and having to come up with a front solution to piggyback on my PEPR,the other options I'm considering are either Troy Micros or HK 416/417 diopter set piggybacked?Having a helluva time finding exact specs/dimensions for either....specifically the overall height,but from what I've gathered,the Troy Micros' front post height is 1.125" above the rail,a full 3/4"+ shorter then the standard Troys at 1.9".Havent been able to gather any info on the HKs,but they appear to be as short or shorter(?) then the TM?
Weighing the pros and cons of each,I'm kinda leaning towards the HKs now?
A)Kinda like the idea of the 4 setting diopter
B)REALLY like the idea of fixed/ready for action sights vs. flip-ups,which IMHO almost somewhat defeats the purpose of having BUIS if they need to be deployed to use, although I would likely flip them up immediately upon uncasing rifle for hunting?
C)The HKs "appear to be" ever so slightly shorter for piggy application?
D)The HKs are approx 1/2 the $$ of Troy Micros
 
Brian46 said:
Who actually uses these things?
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They are very useful for 3-gun or carbine matches where you might have a few far targets and a few close targets. Instead of taking time to adjust your scope you simply flip the rifle and blast away. IRL, yeah probably not as useful as people think they are.
 
^^ That's what I use em for. Keep the optic zoomed in and just lift your elbow if you want to switch to irons for close up. Shaves a fraction of time which is what you need in competition.
 
^^^ +2

I wish I had these while running a 1-4x set up. There's little that's more awkward than trying to go from 4x down to 1x in a pinch. I mean...zombies have a complete disregard for zoom optics.

Seriously though, being able to cant/tilt your rifle to achieve an instant CQB sight picture and still transition to a 4x is really nice.
 
As of today I've pretty much abandoned the whole 45o/s idea in favor of BUIS piggybacked on top of 3-9x40 Accupoint.
Here's my temporary set-up as of today on new XCR,at least until I get some lower profile irons....either HK irons or Troy Micros maybe?
Standard height Troy folding sights that came with XCR,piggied on Burris PEPR.
The standard height Troys are admittedly too high for my liking for piggyback application,but will do for now.As it is,I need to abandon cheek weld altogether....more of a chin weld to use irons....but for close-up animals(coyotes)/CQB/assisting to "get onto" a critter bouncing thru cover at any range....it'll do for now.
I also have a lower profile set of rings with rail tops that I might use,combined with Troy Micros or HK drum diopter rear and front post.....should be the catsazz and similar to integrated BUIS found on ACOGs/Elcans.

Please excuse the excessive inclusion of accessories,was mainly a photo shoot intended to share new toys with a buddy.......


 
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Brian46 said:
Who actually uses these things? I keep hearing guys say how usefull they are if your oiptic fails but what optics are people using that fail?

I would literaly have to smash the rifle on the ground or run it over to kill it and then the BUIS are also going to be broken and probably the rifle too.
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Well for 99.999% of us it's just for show but for that .001% they might need it for a real reason.

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Ravage said:
Well for 99.999% of us it's just for show but for that .001% they might need it for a real reason.

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Absofreaknlutely,on the 2-way range a plan B is priceless.
That said,as a 35yr+ hunter that has had BUIS on my Rem 7600 for near 30 of those 35 years......and since lonnnngggg before I ever knew they were even called BUIS,I can attest to the fact that those BUIS/see-thru mounts have saved the day on several occasions,a few times accounting for the difference between a buck in the truck vs. a white flag waving bye-bye.
The ol' see-thrus/over-under scope mounts have kept me hunting with confidence many a days when weather conditions made keeping the glass clear a significant challenge,not to mention the factory zeroed irons on the 'ol pump made sighting in a new scope a breeze....not just on the paper,but within a cpl inches @100 before ever firing a live round.
Again,my XCR is to be mainly a varmint rig with no bullets flying back at me,but the hunter in me feels a lot more comfortable and confident afield with a secondary option for if and when the fancy optics let you down....as they can and will.
 
grinrgrn said:
Absofreaknlutely,on the 2-way range a plan B is priceless.
That said,as a 35yr+ hunter that has had BUIS on my Rem 7600 for near 30 of those 35 years......and since lonnnngggg before I ever knew they were even called BUIS,I can attest to the fact that those BUIS/see-thru mounts have saved the day on several occasions,a few times accounting for the difference between a buck in the truck vs. a white flag waving bye-bye.
The ol' see-thrus/over-under scope mounts have kept me hunting with confidence many a days when weather conditions made keeping the glass clear a significant challenge,not to mention the factory zeroed irons on the 'ol pump made sighting in a new scope a breeze....not just on the paper,but within a cpl inches @100 before ever firing a live round.
Again,my XCR is to be mainly a varmint rig with no bullets flying back at me,but the hunter in me feels a lot more comfortable and confident afield with a secondary option for if and when the fancy optics let you down....as they can and will.
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What optics are you using that are fogging up?

Who else has these problems? I thought this was only for the chepest of optics....the only scope I ever had an issue with was a bushnell 30 years ago.

I have never had issue with my Zeiss, meopta, IOR, S&B, Leupold, etc glass even in snow storms and pouring rain they have stayed clear
 
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Brian46 said:
Who actually uses these things? I keep hearing guys say how usefull they are if your oiptic fails but what optics are people using that fail?

I would literaly have to smash the rifle on the ground or run it over to kill it and then the BUIS are also going to be broken and probably the rifle too.
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$44 on ebay
 
grinrgrn said:
As of today I've pretty much abandoned the whole 45o/s idea in favor of BUIS piggybacked on top of 3-9x40 Accupoint.
Here's my temporary set-up as of today on new XCR,at least until I get some lower profile irons....either HK irons or Troy Micros maybe?
Standard height Troy folding sights that came with XCR,piggied on Burris PEPR.
The standard height Troys are admittedly too high for my liking for piggyback application,but will do for now.As it is,I need to abandon cheek weld altogether....more of a chin weld to use irons....but for close-up animals(coyotes)/CQB/assisting to "get onto" a critter bouncing thru cover at any range....it'll do for now.
I also have a lower profile set of rings with rail tops that I might use,combined with Troy Micros or HK drum diopter rear and front post.....should be the catsazz and similar to integrated BUIS found on ACOGs/Elcans.

Please excuse the excessive inclusion of accessories,was mainly a photo shoot intended to share new toys with a buddy.......


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I have a set of Troy Micro Folding BUIS in FDE on the ee if your looking!
 
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