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Top US Army Marksman Explains why Gun Nutz Shoot Better

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Master Sgt. Scott Satterlee says the military could learn a lot from civilians

Master Sgt. Scott Satterlee is really good at shooting things. He’s a member of the U.S. Army’s elite 1st Special Forces Group based at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state. He’s also a nationally ranked competitive precision rifle shooter—and one of the military’s best marksmen.

You wouldn’t guess any of this if you met him. Satterlee is soft-spoken and humble—to the point of almost being self-deprecating. Though confident in his abilities, he doesn’t brag.

Recent hit films such as Zero Dark Thirty, Lone Survivor and American Sniper have put America’s special operations community in the spotlight like never before. It’s an odd turn of events for a community often called “the silent professionals.”

Satterlee says he ordinarily wouldn’t talk to a reporter. But another soldier encouraged him to share his story.

Satterlee says he has learned a lot about firearms in the world of competitive shooting. It’s influenced how he shoots—and why he came to recognize flaws in how the military prepares soldiers for war.

He’s the operations sergeant at JBLM’s Special Forces Advanced Urban Combat Course. After years of combat deployments around the world,training soldiers and shooting at civilian weapon ranges around the United States, he thinks it’s time we radically revamp the way we think about firearms training.

He says new approaches could save a lot of lives—soldiers and civilians alike.

Shooting things for a living
Satterlee grew up in the Pacific Northwest. He became familiar with firearms at an early age, and was an avid hunter. In those days, shooting was purely recreational, and he channeled most of his competitive drive into sports and athletics.

He joined the Army out of high school, and has been a member of elite fighting units during most of his career. His first assignment was the 2nd Ranger Battalion at what was then Fort Lewis.

While there, he befriended Lance Dement, a competitive shooter from Texas who later joined the U.S. shooting team at the 2000 Sydney Olympics. The two regularly spent time at civilian shooting ranges.

Then Satterlee joined the 1st Special Forces Group. While many units focus on making soldiers proficient in whatever weapons they’re assigned, Satterlee’s team pushed expertise for all the weapons in the operators’ arsenal. The range became a central part of life. He spent several years stationed in Okinawa. There, his training emphasized counter-terrorism and direct action—fast, violent, surgical raiding operations. He practiced under some of the military’s most experienced special operations warriors—including legendary Delta Force operator Kyle Lamb.

“They had a huge impact on my style of shooting,” Satterlee says.

Several tours in Iraq, Afghanistan and The Philippines put his skills to the test. He and his fellow operators launched raids, hunted terrorists and passed on their skills to local, allied troops.

These were often sensitive operations. The kind officials vaguely credited to “members of coalition forces” during press conferences.

Then Satterlee took on a wildly different assignment. He became an enlisted adviser to an ROTC program at a university on the East Coast—training college kids to be officers. It was very different from the special operations world.

For one, the ROTC’s training standards and leadership philosophies were far more conventional and rigid. But one of the biggest changes for Satterlee was that they didn’t have a shooting range. Access to—and training with—firearms was extremely limited.

He missed it immediately. To make up for the lost training, Saterlee began seeking out civilian shooting groups during his free time.

Whole new world
In short order, Satterlee became involved in the world of competitive shooting. Luckily, he found a large network of gun enthusiasts along the East Coast.

Many of the civilian hobbyists were much better shots than he expected. In fact, they were more than good—some of them gave the special ops warrior a run for his money.

“There were guys in their eighties—barely held together at the seams—who were out-shooting me,” he recalls.
It was a humbling experience—and an awakening for Satterlee.

He explains that competitive shooting used to be modeled around military and law enforcement practices. But over time, philosophies—and methods—evolved. Competitive shooters began introducing new variables.

These variables include different targets. The shooter would have to determine which ones constitute threats, and which ones do not. There’s shooting on the move, while trying to hit a target that’s also moving. All done under time constraints and considerable pressure.

“There’s no other sport or training that focuses on the draw, reloading, target acquisition, instantly being able to place accurate fire on a target while moving—and all this is done faster than any other sport with live ammunition,” former U.S. Practical Shooting Association president Mike Voight said in an interview with American Handgunner.

Satterlee said that while civilian hobbyists and enthusiasts pioneered new training techniques, the military remained “stagnant.”
The Army’s marksmanship training hasn’t changed very much, while the wars we send soldiers to fight have.

“It can’t be ignored anymore,” he says. “At some point, we need to decide how good we want to be.”

He takes aim at many old school “secrets” to shooting that he believes derive from flawed reasoning. In particular, he lambasts the commonly repeated advice that shooters should “squeeze” the trigger in such a way that they feel surprised when the weapon goes off.

“I consider that a negligent discharge,” Satterlee says. He’s firm that surprise is never something a soldier should feel while handling a firearm.

“You should know when you’re going to shoot something,” he declares.

He said another faulty notion is the idea that the shooter should keep their focus on their weapon’s sight as they aim. “That’s good for bullseyes or a stationary target,” he says.

But in combat zones, things rarely stay in place. People constantly move—and if you focus on your optics, you can lose your target. Being aware of your surroundings is critical.

“You have to constantly assess the threat,” he explains.

Train how you fight
Satterlee explained that a lot of marksmanship training is still centered around “peer-to-peer” fighting scenarios—battles against other uniformed enemies with well-defined battle lines.

But contemporary battlefields bear little resemblance to that conventional paradigm. American troops aren’t fighting Panzers anymore.

Today, soldiers often find themselves in much more ambiguous settings—dominated by militias, guerrillas and spies. A civilian might approach to give soldiers critical information about the enemy … or blow them up in a suicide attack.

Satterlee said that practical exercises should force shooters to make quick assessments and act decisively. He said he often wonders how many soldiers might be alive today had they not hesitated to ask for permission to act when they saw a threat.

“On the flip side,” he adds. “How many [civilians] down range might be alive that didn’t need to die?”


He said those questions are the biggest takeaways from his time deployed in the Middle East and Southeast Asia.

On the battlefield, soldiers have to make decisions quickly. But acting fast can’t mean acting in a rushed or sloppy way. You need to be very deliberate.

Handling a weapon is a huge responsibility—as is taking a life.

Satterlee says that for a soldier’s sanity, he or she needs to know they’re doing the right thing when they take their shot. They need to feel confident that they can determine if the car approaching them is packed with explosives, or just a dad rushing to get home to his family.

“You can’t expect a soldier to adapt to chaos unless he’s already been exposed to it,” Satterlee says.
He says they need to train in an environment that simulates the uncertainty of a modern war zone, without its lethality. They need training that allows them to fail safely, and to reflect and learn from mistakes.

He’s taken his lessons from the world of competitive shooting and brought them to how he trains soldiers at JBLM. He’s a seasoned special operations veteran with years of experience—and one of the top shooters in the nation—so his commanders give him exceptional leeway to experiment in his training.

As a member of 1st Group, he’s in an environment that welcomes innovation and creative problem solving. His commanders trust his judgment. It’s an elite unit—everyone who comes through his doors for the urban combat course is handpicked.

But Satterlee says he doesn’t think this sort of training should be reserved for only the most elite troops.
He asserts that soldiers—especially new recruits—need to learn about the complexities of modern conflict much earlier. He says they need to learn how to assess threats and to know the consequences of both indecision and rashness.

He admits that it’s significantly harder to give large, conventional units that sort of training, compared to smaller and adaptable elite units. However, he proposes that the Army can impart these lessons with audiovisual aids and gaming-style training.

But the challenge of introducing new training techniques and philosophies isn’t just logistical—it’s cultural.

Change hurts
By their very nature, military organizations are highly regimented and steeped in tradition. But Satterlee says that when certain rules and traditions become outdated, these institutions can be painfully resistant to change.

“Standard operating procedure becomes dogma,” he observes.

He said there’s a tendency toward overly-linear thinking that prevents leaders from adapting to new challenges. Senior leaders often reject new ideas out of hand, because it’s not how they learned.

“Egos get attached to process instead of the outcome,” Satterlee explains.

But failures in Iraq and Afghanistan have severely bruised many of those egos. As a result, military leaders today are far more vocal about reform, and some are surprisingly candid about what hasn’t worked. Perhaps more than ever, many commanders are willing to entertain new ideas.

That includes Lt. Gen. Stephen Lanza, U.S. Army I Corps commander and JBLM’s most senior officer. Lanza has said the Army needs to explore new approaches in how the leadership should tackle wartime contingencies and instability—and to avoid the mistakes of the past.

“We must adapt faster than that instability,” the general recently told an audience of cadets and civilians at University of Washington in Seattle.

That’s easier said than done. Even when the military is ready for change, that doesn’t necessarily mean the larger defense establishment is.

But at 1st Group, Satterlee says their philosophy on change is simple. “If it doesn’t work, we fix it.”


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The more dynamic style of matches you see in the US now took their shape in the early 2000's and were greatly influenced by the US experience in Iraq. Many of the match directors for the big matches served there and got into competitive shooting when they got out. They designed their matches to emphasize things which they saw as weaknesses in training. Notably improvised shooting positions and quick engagements at multiple distances.

Their matches have evolved, while ours have remained stagnant.
 

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The precision rifle matches shot on known distances ranges, one distance at a time, with exactly the same stages repeated at each match. More specifically, the ones that don't involve any kind of positional shooting whatsoever.

Edit: to be clear, I'm talking about "tactical" precision rifle matches.
 
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Hey Guys,
A buddy of mine Terry Doi turned me on to this forum told me that an interview I did got posted.
First of all I would like to thank Kevin Knodel for writing an out standing article. I was hesitant to do the interview but we just sat down and talked, out of my ramblings he was able to piece together a solid piece of work.

Probably the biggest take away should be how much the sport shooting world has done to advance Precision Rifle work in the last 10-15 years. Easily 99% of all the latest and greatest stuff was developed by shooting enthusiasts and is just now leaking it's way into military application. It's sad but half of our SR 25s still have old Leupold Mk 4s with MOA turrets and Horus reticles.

Other guys have posted already about rapid engagements, hasty positions and tight time constraints are all developed out of the sport shooting world. I still remember the first big competition I went to. It was the Mammoth Sniper challenge thinking I was a US SOF Sniper and I should do pretty well. It was a seriously humbling experience for me. I walked away after 3 days with 11 points. Anyway, long story short I'm only 2 1/2 hours from BC and I look forward to getting up your way to shoot with you guys.

Is anyone coming down for the JC Steel match at the end of April? If so PM me here and we will link up for some diner.
 
Welcome to the site Scott! I see you're doing well in the standings!

I will not be able to attend that one due to a wedding (my own), but I am hoping to do either K&M or Heatstroke and will definitely be going to the GAP Grind. Will you be at any of those?

Kris
 
Kris,
Congrats!!
I'll be at the JC, CUP, Silencerco and probably one more. I've been looking at the heat stroke I know a bunch of the OK guys and they run a fun match.
I've been trolling looking for matches in W Canada. I just registered so I haven't figured everything out yet.
 
Hey Guys,
A buddy of mine Terry Doi turned me on to this forum told me that an interview I did got posted.
First of all I would like to thank Kevin Knodel for writing an out standing article. I was hesitant to do the interview but we just sat down and talked, out of my ramblings he was able to piece together a solid piece of work.

Probably the biggest take away should be how much the sport shooting world has done to advance Precision Rifle work in the last 10-15 years. Easily 99% of all the latest and greatest stuff was developed by shooting enthusiasts and is just now leaking it's way into military application. It's sad but half of our SR 25s still have old Leupold Mk 4s with MOA turrets and Horus reticles.

Other guys have posted already about rapid engagements, hasty positions and tight time constraints are all developed out of the sport shooting world. I still remember the first big competition I went to. It was the Mammoth Sniper challenge thinking I was a US SOF Sniper and I should do pretty well. It was a seriously humbling experience for me. I walked away after 3 days with 11 points. Anyway, long story short I'm only 2 1/2 hours from BC and I look forward to getting up your way to shoot with you guys.

Is anyone coming down for the JC Steel match at the end of April? If so PM me here and we will link up for some diner.

Welcome to the forum Scott!
 
You may also like the Service Rifle shoots. Canadian Service Rifle is different than US Service Rifle. It's much more dynamic, more like long distance 3 gun stages than the SR shot at Perry. It has things like movers and rundowns, where the whole line runs down the range cocked and locked and engages targets at each mound. Don't worry, it's done in a controlled manner.

These are from the central Canada matches, but they have them out west as well.

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Kevin,
It happens a lot more than sometimes. I've been going to civilian ran courses to learn how to shoot since 2004 I went to Bill Rogers and Benny Cooley. I was lucky enough to have Kyle Lam as an instructor when he was still active duty.
When I started competing I was lucky enough to meet folks that really helped me along the way Ron Pike, Todd Jerrett, Dustin Morris, Bryan Morgan and my business and shooting partner Ryan Castle.
This year I'm taking my work mates to a Robert Vogel course and we are bringing Kyle Lam out for a week in July. There is no doubt that sport shooters and shooting enthusiasts are way ahead of 99.99 of military folks minus a few of the more elite units. Passion brings desire, desire brings practice, practice brings proficiency, proficiency brings mastery
v/r
Scott
 
You may also like the Service Rifle shoots. Canadian Service Rifle is different than US Service Rifle. It's much more dynamic, more like long distance 3 gun stages than the SR shot at Perry. It has things like movers and rundowns, where the whole line runs down the range cocked and locked and engages targets at each mound. Don't worry, it's done in a controlled manner.

These are from the central Canada matches, but they have them out west as well.

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[youtube]KNlG2oLbuUU[/youtube]

Cool Looking match! any caliber or optic restrictions?
 
I think BC limits the optics to 4x. Not sure about caliber restrictions. A rifle similar to what you would use in long distance 3 gun is best. Shooting is out to 500 meters/yards, but there is a lot of positional shooting. Anything that's too barrel heavy works against you, especially in the positional shooting in the rundowns.
 
Kevin,
It happens a lot more than sometimes. I've been going to civilian ran courses to learn how to shoot since 2004 I went to Bill Rogers and Benny Cooley. I was lucky enough to have Kyle Lam as an instructor when he was still active duty.
When I started competing I was lucky enough to meet folks that really helped me along the way Ron Pike, Todd Jerrett, Dustin Morris, Bryan Morgan and my business and shooting partner Ryan Castle.
This year I'm taking my work mates to a Robert Vogel course and we are bringing Kyle Lam out for a week in July. There is no doubt that sport shooters and shooting enthusiasts are way ahead of 99.99 of military folks minus a few of the more elite units. Passion brings desire, desire brings practice, practice brings proficiency, proficiency brings mastery
v/r
Scott

Well that is great to hear.

Of course, there are plenty of passionate quacks in the firearms world as well, but they are usually pretty easy to weed out and cast their info aside if you use a modicum of common sense.
 
Scott,

First of all, thank you for your service. I have a bunch of friends in the RCAF who are posted on the McChord side of JBLM. Having said that, welcome to the forum.
 
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