Any Steiner T5Xi scopes in canada yet?
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Lol!
This is unfortunate for Steiner. The M5Xi's are great scopes. Too bad these (T5Xi) arent living up to the precedent those scopes set.
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I agree, I was excited also when they released the details for this scope, unfortunately it doesn't seem to be living up to the hype(and there was lots of it). At the price point that they are north of the boarder it they might not be the "deal" they are in the states considering the other options for the same or a little more money. Just my opinion.
mightyhunter
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I took it out and sighted it in and then did a tracking test. It tracked right on, mind you I only had room on my target to go up to 9 mils and 4 mils L and R. I've also max out the turrets several times and everytime it returned right on zero. That was on a .223. I am planning to mount it on a .338 and see how well it will handle the recoil.
Ok, here is what he did:
He made a fixture that holds the scope completely still.
The I-Beam has leveling bolts and has a picatinni rail fastened to the top. Its heavy enough that it's not going to move. (Yes, it's a Bushnell Elite shown in the pic)
He aligns the reticle with a zero dot. Notice the dots below are perfectly aligned with the 5 mil and 10 mil hash marks.
When the scope is dialed up 5 mils (reticle moves down to make the barrel point up), it does not align with the next dot as the 5 mil hash mark did. It is off 0.2 mil
Here is a video he did. Note that it is a different target, but he is getting the same result.
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This is a good test. His results are repeatable and the scope returns to zero consistently.
He made a fixture that holds the scope completely still.
The I-Beam has leveling bolts and has a picatinni rail fastened to the top. Its heavy enough that it's not going to move. (Yes, it's a Bushnell Elite shown in the pic)
He aligns the reticle with a zero dot. Notice the dots below are perfectly aligned with the 5 mil and 10 mil hash marks.
When the scope is dialed up 5 mils (reticle moves down to make the barrel point up), it does not align with the next dot as the 5 mil hash mark did. It is off 0.2 mil
Here is a video he did. Note that it is a different target, but he is getting the same result.
[youtube]MLHPH0GT-9w[/youtube]
This is a good test. His results are repeatable and the scope returns to zero consistently.
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Well, no, if it was growing up evenly, it would mean that they just made a mistake calculating the gear, so it would evenly add more and more with each click. But it appears that it is just low quality manufacture, the teeth are cut not to spec, so it adds up small errors back and forth. At some point negative errors are more for 0.2 mils than positive errors, then you pass that point it gets close to specs or cancels more evenly so you don't see error build up further.
Is your reticle centered?
Maybe they are sitting back and laughing at him because hes doing a piss poor test?
I set up my own test rig but I took the time to email the company's who's scope I was testing.
Different company's calibrate their scopes differently, there is no standard. Some measure to the objective and some to where the retical is in the scope. Maybe some are to the end of the barrel? Who knows? He didn't adjust the parallax between each adjustment. And the target board doesn't appear to be curved.
Hes out roughly 0.2 mil at 5mil in his one video. That's roughly a 4% error. Now would all his testing errors add up to make this worse or better? I don't know. But I would say 4% error is not to bad for a back yard test.
His test is valid.
He doesn't need to adjust the parallax because he isn't changing distance, nor is he changing magnification. The fact that reticle aligns perfectly with the proper measured distances tells you that the parralax and occular adjustment are correct.
Parallax adjustment also doesn't explain the canted reticles that numerous people are reporting and have shown pictures of.
He doesn't need to adjust the parallax because he isn't changing distance, nor is he changing magnification. The fact that reticle aligns perfectly with the proper measured distances tells you that the parralax and occular adjustment are correct.
Parallax adjustment also doesn't explain the canted reticles that numerous people are reporting and have shown pictures of.
I never emailed Steiner but some other company's said that the parallax needed to be reset after each adjustment. Just passing along information.
Yes I understand that the parallax has nothing to do with the canted ret but it may be the cause of the sun shades colour not matching? Maybe I'm onto something here??
EDIT: Why should we assume that the ret spacing is correct? They failed at making anything else right.
Yes, you do need to adjust the parralax for different setting to adjust for glass curvature, but the effect should be much smaller than 0.2mil.
We can assume the reticle spacing is correct because it alings with points that have been measured at a known distance that has also been measured.
That other scopes pass this test is also telling.
We can assume the reticle spacing is correct because it alings with points that have been measured at a known distance that has also been measured.
That other scopes pass this test is also telling.
Where does he measure to on the scope? Did he confirm with Steiner?
Is the target curved?
Measure it on the scope? You don't need to measure it on the scope. The reticle is in mils. 1 mil is 10cm at 100 meters. 5 mils is 50cm and 10 mils is 100 cm. You put up a target at 100 meter, put a dot at the top as a zero, put the next one 50cm below it, and the next one 50cm below the second dot. This is very basic, there is nothing to confirm with Steiner.
The target is straight and has been confirmed straigh with a plumb bob.
The target is straight and has been confirmed straigh with a plumb bob.
