NFA Petition to de-restrict ARs and eliminate 5 round mags for semis

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It got 30,000 signatures in 4 months. The NFA posted an update on their FB page (thanks to dfritter1 for pointing me in the right direction). They said they are boxing them up and sending them off next week. A clerk will double check them before they are presented to Parliament. The Gov't now has to respond.

Considering the short amount of time; and, considering this primarily affects AR owners; and, considering the availability of the petitions, I say this is good news. Also, every signature represents 2 potential votes in that household, if not more. Not to mention how many other Canadians agree with it but did not sign for whatever reason.
 
Wow thats awesome.
Melnibonean said:
It got 30,000 signatures in 4 months. The NFA posted an update on their FB page (thanks to dfritter1 for pointing me in the right direction). They said they are boxing them up and sending them off next week. A clerk will double check them before they are presented to Parliament. The Gov't now has to respond.

Considering the short amount of time; and, considering this primarily affects AR owners; and, considering the availability of the petitions, I say this is good news. Also, every signature represents 2 potential votes in that household, if not more. Not to mention how many other Canadians agree with it but did not sign for whatever reason.
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30,000 was probably only a small percentage of people that care, since many people don't spend as much time on here as we do, or are not members of the nfa...

hard to ignore that many signatures
 
Call me a realist or a cynic but I really don't think that the current government has the appetite to fight a public battle over AR-15s, even if they win the next election.

Magazine restrictions maybe, but the AR-15 is one of those things that scares the folks because, like, only the military should have access to those baby killing weapons and what government is in favour of baby killing?

wbaad said:
30,000 was probably only a small percentage of people that care, since many people don't spend as much time on here as we do, or are not members of the nfa...

hard to ignore that many signatures
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Is that so? The government of the day in 1996 ignored several million gun owners.
 
Petitions aren't all that common here, useful ones at least, so let's look at the swiss model and how it works.

Collecting 50'000 signatures within three months is a very big effort, people will not sign just anything and you have to convince them one by one. And just hanging out posters and buying newspaper ads doesn't convince the electorate. The Swiss electorate wants to get informed, they go to public discussions, they are looking for convincing arguments and they are discussing the issue among friends.

A team of 1,000 or more volunteers and 100 orators (members of national or cantonal parliaments, entrepreneurs, labor-union leaders, presidents of all kinds of assciations etc.) is about the minimum it takes for a successful referendum campaign. Of course, some money is involved too, but the hours of volunteers still have more weight in Swiss politics than sheer money. There are only few parties or organisations that can mobilize enough volunteers alone, so usually a referendum campaign will see a pro coalition and a con coalition. For people familiar with Switzerland's political party system, coalitions are quite predictable even before someone even starts a referendum campaign.
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So for us to get 30,000 signatures with basically no money backing us and everything being on the volunteers, we did pretty good I think.
 
McFlurri said:
I did not sign.. but wish I did. There is no way I could be the only one so I hope something positive comes out of this.
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My wife and I both signed and there was some hippies going door to door with some hippy one that I read over and was to get the amount of heavy metals printed on canned tuna so I told the tow of them I would sign theirs if they signed to have the AR15 classified in its functional class... for some reason that is all I had to tell them they jumped all over it and with the grins they had these guys were either useful idiots or very big gun nuts... I have met some very pro extreme left wingers around these parts of Alberta. I can be a nasty little devil either way!:evil:
 
Hate to be Debbie downer here boys but 30,000ppl is a very small percentage of PAL Holders.

Total is 1,989,181 ... So 1.5 % of gun license holders would like to see mag limits changed and AR re-classified.
Well the NDP took over Alberta, so I guess if he'll can freeze over, maybe pigs can fly too.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/index-eng.htm


Adding in : 0.5% of the population have licenses, and 1.5 % of them want a change.
Hardly a game changer to any politician
 
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LuckyOnes said:
Hate to be Debbie downer here boys but 30,000ppl is a very small percentage of PAL Holders.

Total is 1,989,181 ... So 1.5 % of gun license holders would like to see mag limits changed and AR re-classified.
Well the NDP took over Alberta, so I guess if he'll can freeze over, maybe pigs can fly too.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/index-eng.htm


Adding in : 0.5% of the population have licenses, and 1.5 % of them want a change.
Hardly a game changer to any politician
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Yes, but you have to realized that 30k people were targeted in only 4 months by a very small organization. I think it represents much bigger than what you behold.
 
LuckyOnes said:
Hate to be Debbie downer here boys but 30,000ppl is a very small percentage of PAL Holders.
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for every signature on that petition there was at least two conversations on the subject of firearm, some opinions might had changed and some knowledge was passed on. it is more than Wendy and Heidi can ever hoped for.
 
Should of had silencers on that list of changes. If I had to choose between the three (normal capacity mags, nr ar-15, silencers) I'd much rather have access to silencers. Even with double plugs you still are going to get some hearing damage while shooting.
 
interesting thing ....
I know of a guy who had gotten several pages of signatures ( a thickness of 1/4 to 3/8 " ) and was ready to send them in , then the nfa melted down .
basically the whole situation pissed him off so much he set fire to the papers and will have nothing to do with them anymore .
 
0_0 ... no excuse for that, he just betrayed every single person that signed. WTF?
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interesting thing ....
I know of a guy who had gotten several pages of signatures ( a thickness of 1/4 to 3/8 " ) and was ready to send them in , then the nfa melted down .
basically the whole situation pissed him off so much he set fire to the papers and will have nothing to do with them anymore .
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xdmer said:
0_0 ... no excuse for that, he just betrayed every single person that signed. WTF?
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my thinking when I heard that was , what else has the nfa cost us ?

how many good hard working people have gone from passionate supporters , to being so frustrated that they say screw it , I want nothing to do with it .......

as a firearms community we have to seriously think about the dead weight we are shackled with .... having a national org that say they represent us ,but then implodes in disgrace every couple of years , is not putting our best foot forward .

firearms owners are a honorable bunch , we deserve ( and maybe should start to demand ) a honorable org to represent us ......
 
All those people that signed his petitions did so in good faith, expecting to have their voices heard. It's unfortunate that your buddy betrayed their wishes, as well as all the gun owners in Canada, on a petulant whim. He didn't hurt the NFA by doing this, but he sure hurt the rest of us by doing so.
 
LuckyOnes said:
Hate to be Debbie downer here boys but 30,000ppl is a very small percentage of PAL Holders.
Hardly a game changer to any politician
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#30,000ppl isn't a lot in the big picture, but every politician knows one vote on a form is generally worth a hundred or more in the real world.

Also when you (they) factor in this was done in only four months w/o any big money/advertising budget it counts for even more.


What those who feel negative about this approach "they'll just laugh and toss it in the garbage..." don't seem to understand is that until you come up with a better plan and implement it your attitude is counterproductive and one of the reasons we haven't passed our/these goals already.

Small steps is the only way these Regulations... are going to change and negative talk that it can't or won't ever happen helps no one, but those against our cause.

The only way we will find success is believing we can and implementing change whenever and however we can (patience will be key).
Getting a non-shooter to become a new shooter, or an old-time PAL holder to becoming an RPAL holder, from educating non-shooters about our ridiculous firearms laws to signing petitions stating we want changes and writing our local politicians all combined plus other ideas will/do help our cause for wanting common sense firearm regulations in Canada.

I do however believe we need one all encompassing united Canadian organization working for all responsible firearm owners if we want to accomplish these goals sooner then later. It's this aspect that needs fixing asap if we want good things to happen towards changing policy regarding firearms use/ownership. That's the discussion we need to start or continue having until success has been made ("We Must Stand United") and we are one united group of responsible firearms owners able to make changes.

Cheers D
 
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I could see the potential for the AR15 being de restricted with the C42 clauses allowing them to have things go that direction.

Magazine capacities I doubt.. But I'll wait and be optimistic in the mean time.
 
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