Economics of reloading in Canada

when i used to shoot a lot of .308, 22-250, 6ppc reloading was practically the only way to go for really accurate setups. But i wouldn't say it was cheaper since we ended up buying 'premium' components and bought them up in bulk...seemingly every trip to the range was followed up with a trip to restock on primers, bullets, powder, or something. And then cleaning supplies add up too...lol

now it's all much more recreational and 'just fun'. 9mm can be a bit cheaper than cheap non-surplus stuff (e.g. wolf reloads). Not by much though. Nice to be able to put away a thousand rounds though as described so as to skip the ordering/delivery timing with your range trips. Don't know about .223, I don't know that i would bother since my .223 is for varmints and it'll take a while to run through the boxes of factory that it prefers. For just plinking with any of the military calibers it's impossible to beat the cost of surplus ammo if you're just making noise, smoke and confetti.

I would say that if you're shooting volume for something like a 9mm getting a progressive press like a dillon square B is a solid move. I cringe at thinking of cranking out 1000 rounds of 9mm on a single stage or a even a manual multi stage. I have a dillion 550 as well but the auto indexing for the 9mm setup will just spoil you.

For other calibers, like the 45-70, reloading is a really nice option. Cheap-ish ammo choices are very limited for plinking and other loads all carry a premium price. And then there's the whole tailoring your load for your purpose.

So, i suppose that it comes down to what type of shooting you're doing...how much of it you'll do...and what turns your crank. Just blasting for fun...run surplus or cheapest stuff you can get (i.e. wolf, win white box, etc...). Want utmost accuracy potential, or want something that you can't buy, then reload. Factory options too scarce, limited or pricey...then reload. Regardless if you end up buying components to reload or ready to go ammo...when you find what you need, buy lots (pun intended).

If you go down the reloading road...again factor in the cost of all the reloading stuff you'll need. First thing to buy is a Lyman Reloading Guide. Solid, informative investment...even if you don't end up reloading. Then figure how much you'll be reloading. 20-50-100rounds at a time...a single or manual progressive is just fine (IMO). Taking an extra large bag of 9mm to the range every weekend...consider an auto-indexing progressive. Doesn't have to have the auto case feeder and the auto bullet feeder...but the auto primer and power functions are clutch.

It's nice to have a setup for each caliber...and leave them setup. Not a necessity though at all...but since it's fun to shoot a variety of stuff a lot of guys end up reloading for a number of different rounds. I have a progressive dillon for 9mm, a single stage Lee for 45-70, a dillon 550 for 357/44/40, an arbor press w/ hand dies for 6ppc and an old rcbs single for misc other things (resizing brass, the odd 30-06 loads, etc...). I didn't buy that all at once...just gathered a piece here and there over time. There are lots of good used stuff deals on the equipment exchange...but decide what you're going to load and how much you'll do before buying something.

So far as learning how to do it...read the Lyman book. I can't recall the RCBS one off hand but the Speer and Barnes ones don't seem to have nearly the same amount of info in them. Go slow...be careful. Double check. If you can learn from someone else...great. But vet what they say/do against some other reference so you're not picking up any bad habits. Also...anytime I've called RCBS or Lyman their guys on the phone are super helpful and can usually answer any run of the mill question you might have.

Hope that helps.
 
I reload 9mm and recently started reloading 223. My current cost is about 20 cents per round of 9mm and 38 cents for 223. I have learned that I enjoy the reloading process almost as much as I enjoy shooting. I am a bit anal and rolling my own smokes allows me to be as fussy as I want. I think reloading is best done in a quiet space where you can focus and enjoy yourself. I have no problem shooting lots of 9mm at 20 cents per round when the other guys at the range are shooting crappy 22lr ammo that they paid 10 cents per round for. I enjoy reloading and the cost savings are a nice bonus. Where you live in Canada will greatly affect your costs but shop around and buy in bulk when you can.
 
When I shot handgun, reloading really paid off with cast bullets. Ideally, cast your own, but lead, even WW, is getting harder to find. Buying cast bullets is usually pretty reasonable. Accuracy is one of the big reasons for loading your own. Also, I have a 45-70 Guide Gun that is not exactly pleasant to shoot with full house loads, so I shoot cast with reduced loads - cheaper, but the big advantage is a lot less recoil.
 
Like others have stated, I reload because I find it to be an enjoyable aspect of our hobby.

I also save a boatload by reloading. I shoot 20 some odd different rifle calibers and most are obselete or very hard to come by. So my only option often is to roll my own.

As for cast loads, that's pretty much all I shoot these days. I've spent years perfecting cast rifle loads in various rifles and I'm at the point were my cast handloads will shoot better then any factory ammo I could buy. And in a few rifles my cast loads will shoot moa or in some cases sub moa.

That's the fun for me, chasing accuracy with bullets that I make from scrap. My finished cast rifle rounds are anywhere from $.10 to $.30 per round depending on the caliber. Hard to beat that price, and it's been a lot of fun doing so. I've also had the pleasure of swapping notes with other cast shooters and helping other folks start casting..

Reloading is too much fun to not try. It's overwhelming and expensive at first but we'll worth the investment of time and money.

Steve
 
I have an Excel spreadsheet breaking out costs, pay-off times and so forth based on your own usage, etc. PM me with your email address and I'll send it to you.
 
As others have stated you can produce more rounds of higher quality. The savings really kick in when you shoot 10-15k of 45acp a year.

powder - .02
primer - .04
range brass and home cast boolits - .001 if that (lead mostly free or very cheap)

My cost to shoot 10,000 rounds is roughly 600$. To buy 10,000 you are looking at 350$ per thou if your lucky. By my math I save around 3,000$ per year reloading 45acp. Granted the lead boolits take time - collect wheel weights/ smelt / cast/ size lube then load but that is what winter is for! I can shoot 45-70 for .40 per round compared 2.00 per round and up. The trick is to buy bulk when you find the components.
 
If your reloading to save money GOOD LUCK. Anything you'll save you'll blast down the barrel. Don't reload to save money, reload to get the most from your firearms. Reload to try a variety of bullets and powders. Reload light handgun rounds for plinking. Reload so instead of popping holes in paper at the range, you can also see the results of your efforts and challenge yourself. Setup and with a stock of supplies you'll always have ammo they just have to load it.
And those who don't reload....PLEASE LEAVE YOUR BRASS IN A NEAT PILE I"LL BE ALONG SHORTLY...THANK YOU!
 
The biggest factor for reloading should never be price. 90% of shooters will never pay of there actual investments into it. Initial investment is high and if your like most of us your continuing investment will be high. Component wise per round will be better and cheaper but in most calibers will take alot of shooting to ever pay of the investment. If your looking at reloading you should aproach it with a goal to make better ammunition at equal cost. I shoot thousands of rounds every year and will never pay off my investment however i enjoy it and have great ammo.

And at the other end of the spectrum there are guys like me who paid off their "investment" after loading only 6 or 7 boxes of rifle ammo. Everything from here on in is component cost only, which means $13.50/box instead of $45/box. That's what I call cost savings, and it shoots better than anything I have tried.
 
Some of us have esoteric tastes that must be fed only through handloading our own ammunition.

In my case I have two black powder cartridge 10 gauge shotguns with 2 7/8s chambers. (And one reproduction 10 gauge blunderbuss)
Everything I needed came from Track of the Wolf (imported via Prophet River) or Wil Bilizor.
Considerable cash outlay in the first bit, but reloading for them is just a snap now.

It's expensive to be different. But life would be really boring if we all had the exact same guns.
 
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Reloading for the masses (excluding the LR precision crowd) should be seen as a hobby to be enjoyed. Breaking even monetary wise is a fringe benefit. If money is the goal anyone with a decent job is better off working the extra hours. I'm sure I'd have made way more money working than saved on reloading.

All the cost calculations are not taking into consideration all the extras like tools, cleaning equipment, table, storage, dedicated space for reloading, ... Adds up quickly. It is one thing to lie to the better half about the true cost but don't lie to yourself.
 
What doesn't cost money..?

No matter how you slice things, face it... If you want to shoot you are going to have to spend some money.

Personally... My initial "investment" in reloading equipment was approx $800.
I bought a Dillon 550 and everything I needed to load .38/357, 9mm and. 308.
That $800 was recouped in about 7 months of shooting/loading.
Over the years I've collected a lot in the way of tools and gadgets, but that expense has been drawn out over such a long period that it's hardly noticeable.

Keep in mind if your counting beans... Most reloading gear is "durable goods". Here are tools that will last a life time.

I realize we all have to consider carefully how we spend our hard earned money, but... You either want to do something or you don't.
If you do, we'll.... 'Back to the top of this diatribe... Accept that you're gonna have to part with a fair chunk of change.
 
The cost for the extras is another area where you can spend as much or as little as you want. You could have a dedicated room built with oak cupboards and marble countertop built by a contractor with led lighting climate control and surround sound system or you could spend $15 on a old desk stick it in the corner of the basement and call it good. Cleaning equipment can run from top of the line expensive equipment to a dish with water and vinegar in it. You can spend as much or as little as you want.
I dont know about your job but if my place of employment would allow me to show up whenever i wanted and stay for maybe an hour or 2 in the evenings or on the weekend i would probably take advantage of it. I usually do my reloading while my wife wants to watch a movie like the notebook or something like that. I try to use the time i would otherwise waste.
My whole reloading setup including all equipment and supplies cost me about $200. Thats lockers table press powder measure brass preping and cleaning equipment. I have about the same tied up in my casting equipment that i havnt even used yet.
You can spend as much or as little as you want on reloading. Its like any other hobby out there. I have it figured out that i save money reloading and i find a better way to use my free time in a much better way then watching a crappy show on tv or watching the notebook.
 
when i used to shoot a lot of .308, 22-250, 6ppc reloading was practically the only way to go for really accurate setups. But i wouldn't say it was cheaper since we ended up buying 'premium' components and bought them up in bulk...seemingly every trip to the range was followed up with a trip to restock on primers, bullets, powder, or something. And then cleaning supplies add up too...lol

now it's all much more recreational and 'just fun'. 9mm can be a bit cheaper than cheap non-surplus stuff (e.g. wolf reloads). Not by much though. Nice to be able to put away a thousand rounds though as described so as to skip the ordering/delivery timing with your range trips. Don't know about .223, I don't know that i would bother since my .223 is for varmints and it'll take a while to run through the boxes of factory that it prefers. For just plinking with any of the military calibers it's impossible to beat the cost of surplus ammo if you're just making noise, smoke and confetti.

I would say that if you're shooting volume for something like a 9mm getting a progressive press like a dillon square B is a solid move. I cringe at thinking of cranking out 1000 rounds of 9mm on a single stage or a even a manual multi stage. I have a dillion 550 as well but the auto indexing for the 9mm setup will just spoil you.

For other calibers, like the 45-70, reloading is a really nice option. Cheap-ish ammo choices are very limited for plinking and other loads all carry a premium price. And then there's the whole tailoring your load for your purpose.

So, i suppose that it comes down to what type of shooting you're doing...how much of it you'll do...and what turns your crank. Just blasting for fun...run surplus or cheapest stuff you can get (i.e. wolf, win white box, etc...). Want utmost accuracy potential, or want something that you can't buy, then reload. Factory options too scarce, limited or pricey...then reload. Regardless if you end up buying components to reload or ready to go ammo...when you find what you need, buy lots (pun intended).

If you go down the reloading road...again factor in the cost of all the reloading stuff you'll need. First thing to buy is a Lyman Reloading Guide. Solid, informative investment...even if you don't end up reloading. Then figure how much you'll be reloading. 20-50-100rounds at a time...a single or manual progressive is just fine (IMO). Taking an extra large bag of 9mm to the range every weekend...consider an auto-indexing progressive. Doesn't have to have the auto case feeder and the auto bullet feeder...but the auto primer and power functions are clutch.

It's nice to have a setup for each caliber...and leave them setup. Not a necessity though at all...but since it's fun to shoot a variety of stuff a lot of guys end up reloading for a number of different rounds. I have a progressive dillon for 9mm, a single stage Lee for 45-70, a dillon 550 for 357/44/40, an arbor press w/ hand dies for 6ppc and an old rcbs single for misc other things (resizing brass, the odd 30-06 loads, etc...). I didn't buy that all at once...just gathered a piece here and there over time. There are lots of good used stuff deals on the equipment exchange...but decide what you're going to load and how much you'll do before buying something.

So far as learning how to do it...read the Lyman book. I can't recall the RCBS one off hand but the Speer and Barnes ones don't seem to have nearly the same amount of info in them. Go slow...be careful. Double check. If you can learn from someone else...great. But vet what they say/do against some other reference so you're not picking up any bad habits. Also...anytime I've called RCBS or Lyman their guys on the phone are super helpful and can usually answer any run of the mill question you might have.

Hope that helps.

Great info thanks man ! I just stumbled on this thread and thanks to all the "old hand" loading vets, lots of valuable info on this subject. especially this one ;)
 
The biggest factor for reloading should never be price. 90% of shooters will never pay of there actual investments into it. Initial investment is high and if your like most of us your continuing investment will be high. Component wise per round will be better and cheaper but in most calibers will take alot of shooting to ever pay of the investment. If your looking at reloading you should aproach it with a goal to make better ammunition at equal cost. I shoot thousands of rounds every year and will never pay off my investment however i enjoy it and have great ammo.

I too have to respectfully disagree. I load .40SW, 9mm, 357, 44mag, 223, 308, and .338LM. My stuff's been paid off for a while now (Dillon 650 and RCBS Supreme) and I tend to have lots of quick change kits etc for the Dillon. When I last added it up, pretty sure I had >$2500 in reloading equipment. The fact that it saves a lot of money on larger rounds AND you make way better ammo is just icing on the cake. Everyone I know that reloads is basically in the same situation. Once you get past 9mm and 223, reloading is very cost effective.
 
3000 rounds of winchester 9mm cost about $1040. Compare that to 3000 124gr Zero bullets @ $508, 3lbs Tightgroup @ $101. 3k primers@ $170 for a total of $780. Keep in mind that there are cheaper bullets than Zeros. and I have not included the cost of brass. $260 savings on 3K rounds is good enough for me. For others they don't think that it's worth it To pay for my XL650, I will have to reload around 20k rounds of 9mm at current Dillon prices. There is more savings if you're reloading 45, for a quicker return on your investment.

The other aspect of reloading is that it is a hobby all on its own. The benefit of which is realized in your hobby of shooting. Good luck with your choice.
 
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I too have to respectfully disagree. I load .40SW, 9mm, 357, 44mag, 223, 308, and .338LM. My stuff's been paid off for a while now (Dillon 650 and RCBS Supreme) and I tend to have lots of quick change kits etc for the Dillon. When I last added it up, pretty sure I had >$2500 in reloading equipment. The fact that it saves a lot of money on larger rounds AND you make way better ammo is just icing on the cake. Everyone I know that reloads is basically in the same situation. Once you get past 9mm and 223, reloading is very cost effective.

I agree to that. Look at the cost of factory pistol ammunition that start with a 4, the price also magically much higher too.
 
It depends. For 9mm I'll go with no. My .223 loading is accuracy centered so there is little to compare to. Just for the sake of argument my target/varmint/hunting loads are cheaper than premium factory that doesn't shoot nearly as well. For plinking with an AR or something bulk el cheapo is a better deal. Bullet casting may be a rewarding hobby but for volume production of handgun bullets its a huge waste of time. A few 20s peeled off will buy more bullets than I'll ever cast and size in a weekend. Factor in a tank of propane once in awhile, and I lose money casting free bullets. Screw that. Likewise screw 12 gauge loading.

Hunting rifle cartridges are different. For an extreme example I needed 500 rounds of .458 on location in Australia last year. Premium ammo at that end was 230 dollars a box (Australian $) so that was nearing a $6000 tab at that end, or about $4000 here, not that that would have done me any good. Not going to happen. Bullets at Canadian prices and powder and primers at Australian prices cost right around $1100 for all of it. Sitting around camp in the early mornings with a cup of coffee and a Lee hand press seating bullets worked out savings of 1000 dollars an hour. That's good work if you can get it.:d
 
Reloading is cost-effective even for 9mm and .223 if you actually do the math. My current costs for 9mm per thousand are as follows:

Campro 147 grain bullets: $100
Dominion primers (purchased by the case of 5,000): $28
Powder (3.5 grains Titegroup): $12.50
Total: $140.50
Brass cost is negligible. Case life with pistol cartridges is long and range pickups at least make up for any losses

Considering that factory ammo costs at least $320/1000 and re-manufactured ammo around $275-$300/1000, I would say that the cost savings are very real.

Here is the cost breakdown for .223, again per thousand:
Hornady 55 grain FMJ: $130
Dominion primers: $28
WC 735 surplus powder (24 grains at $19/lb): $65.50
Brass ($100/1,000; assume 10 reloads per case): $10
Total: $233.50

Assuming new manufacture commercial powder, increase the powder cost to about $120, for a total of $288/1000. The new Campro bullets can be substituted for Hornady for a savings of about $25/1000

Again, compare with a typical price of around $450-$500/1000 for comparable factory ammo, which is usually of less accurate.

Reloading other cartridges like .44 Magnum and .45 ACP will realize even greater cost savings, percentage-wise.
 
Reloading to save money is like buying a motorcycle to save on gas. You can sure buy a lot of gas for the amount of money you'll spend saving a few litres per hundred km.

Reloading to enjoy another aspect of the shooting sports is worth every penny spent.

What aspect of shooting makes ANY economic sense? You're taking money and turning it into noise, heat, and kinetic energy. All in exchange for holes in paper, or perhaps dents in steel.
 
My math (for .243):

"Investment":

- Lee Loader - $40
- Powder Scale - $50
- Calipers - $20
- Trimming/deburring tools - $20
- Soft-faced hammer - $15
- Plastic jar for soaking brass - free
- Water and vinegar for soaking brass - pennies per hundreds of rounds

Total: $ 145 and change

Using the online reload calculator posted a few days ago (ht tp://www.handloads.com/calc/loadingCosts.asp), I plugged in the cost of bullets, powder and primers (the brass is "free" so far) and it costs me $13.50 to load 20 premium rounds. Equivalent factory loads are $45 per box (20).

$45-$13.50 = $31.50 savings per 20 rounds.

My "investment" paid for itself after 4.6 boxes of reloaded ammo.

If I shoot even just 10 boxes of ammo per year, I am saving myself $310.50

Since I am using a Lee Loader I will get much more life out of my brass, but even if I bought new brass ever time, I'd still be saving a ton of money.

This isn't the only reason why I started reloading, of course, but it is a major reason.

When I want to start reloading .270, I'll "invest" in a Lee Loader for .270 and that $40 will pay for itself in the first reloading session. The rest will be gravy.
 
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