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My wife would like us to have an AR patterned gun just in case and I was wondering several things.
1) what makes and AR patterned gun Restricted?
2) who is the best source here in Canada to buy build parts (I would like to build a lower)
3) with the passing of Bill C51 does that change the restricted status of the ARs
I have been watching build vids and would not have a problem doing the lower build. Apparently building an upper does not save much and I want a piston unit.
Thoughts??
 
Build your wife a nice pink one, like mine. As a woman, I love how easy it is to handle an AR. By far, my favorite of my rifles.

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Zeroed-In said:
Don't forget the H&K MR223 as another premium quality piston AR which some would argue is the best.

Cheers D
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It has destroyed all comers in competition by the best units in the world. I'm sure PWS is fine for civilian/Le needs and some military. But PWS is far from the best piston system out there. So much marketing fluff from all these new AR makers.
 
Remember that AR was created with the idea of providing the light, accurate and easy to shoot rifle. If you planning to build one for your wife keep in mind that a fun range session may only be fun if she can handle her firearm easily. Keep it light. Most of the gentlemen here will never leave the bench, however if one will and handle a carbine for 2-3 hours off hand, one will quickly understand why the AR should be light. Stay away from any piston ARs. These are heavier than DI, original carbines platforms providing in exchange "cleaner" system and better reliability (quality DI carbine is very reliable anyway). My advice - find a short 14.5" lightweight barrel and keep it trim and simple. The more useless crap you will put on it, the less fun she'll have in the end. Best of luck.
 
I own a piston AR (Ruger) and while they're good quality, they are VERY front heavy - this is not an advantage, it's just heavy. Stick with a direct impingement gun, they're light and they work just the same. I've built guns, and I've bought guns - there is little to no cost advantage to building, but it is easy to do. I've dealt with most of the major parts suppliers here and all are good to deal with, and know their stuff. Any AR is going to be restricted, but that's not really an issue either because if you're in a situation where you need an AR - there won't be anyone telling you you're being a bad boy for having it out, off the range.

my $0.02
 
Stoner99 said:
It has destroyed all comers in competition by the best units in the world. I'm sure PWS is fine for civilian/Le needs and some military. But PWS is far from the best piston system out there. So much marketing fluff from all these new AR makers.
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I've used both professionally (PWS operationally as a PMC and the 416 in weapons fam for about 1000 rds or so). I prefer the PWS. Lighter weight, long stroke piston (ala AKM/AK74), long barrel life (one bloke saw 18,000 rds put down the pipe on a Mk114 and when they scoped the bore they saw no appreciable wear in the barrel and he reported no noticeable reduction in accuracy and I can report the same results from my Mk112) and better recoil impulse than even many DI rifles (and certainly better then the 416). As far as destroying all comers... L119a1 is being replaced by the L119a2 from Colt Canada and not the HK 416 from HK despite all the scuttle-butt about the 416 being a shoe-in once the system had matured. Now, the HK416 is a very good rifle, but you gotta watch the marketing fluff. Everybody went nuts for it when SEALs and 1SFOD-Delta picked theirs up to bolster the ageing CQBR arsenal. And at a price point $1,500.00 less than the HK 416, I'll pick up the PWS.

And before we start running down the road of military contracts, blah-blah-blah, PWS has never approached any military agency to my knowledge, but I've heard that more than a few agencies (military, SF and PMC) have approached them. E-mail them, they'll be able to tell you for sure, but they probably won't share who they sold them to. They just don't have the capacity to sell to the civilian market (their first choice of customer) and the military (their second choice) at the same time.

-S.
 
There's a SIG 516 on the EE now. Good price but mated to a NEA lower though.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1252583-Sig-516-AR

There isn't much advantage to a piston vs. DI except a bit easier to clean, really. You're gonna clean your gun anyways, right?
If you're gonna compete, get a 16" barrel.

The HK will cost you a 2 wk trip to Europe!! (Joke, kinda!)
 
Nestor said:
Remember that AR was created with the idea of providing the light, accurate and easy to shoot rifle. If you planning to build one for your wife keep in mind that a fun range session may only be fun if she can handle her firearm easily. Keep it light. Most of the gentlemen here will never leave the bench, however if one will and handle a carbine for 2-3 hours off hand, one will quickly understand why the AR should be light. Stay away from any piston ARs. These are heavier than DI, original carbines platforms providing in exchange "cleaner" system and better reliability (quality DI carbine is very reliable anyway). My advice - find a short 14.5" lightweight barrel and keep it trim and simple. The more useless crap you will put on it, the less fun she'll have in the end. Best of luck.
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I have to disagree about the absolutism of weight. PWS makes piston ARs that weigh about the same as their DI counterparts. And you're right, DI rifles are quite reliable. I have a DD Mk18 Mod1 that has about 5,000 rds down the pipe with only lube and she's running like Satan's Timex. I actually went back to the bench for the first time in years on Thursday for fecal ha-has. Even when I BZO my bang-sticks I do it from prone.

-S.
 
Maple Leaf Pilgrim said:
I have to disagree about the absolutism of weight. PWS makes piston ARs that weigh about the same as their DI counterparts. And you're right, DI rifles are quite reliable. I have a DD Mk18 Mod1 that has about 5,000 rds down the pipe with only lube and she's running like Satan's Timex. I actually went back to the bench for the first time in years on Thursday for fecal ha-has. Even when I BZO my bang-sticks I do it from prone.

-S.
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Is "Satan's Timex" a good thing or a bad thing?:d
 
Maple Leaf Pilgrim said:
Ever carry one with a grenade launcher, optics, LAM and full cap magazines at 6,000 - 14,000 feet ASL for six - eighteen months?

-S.
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Did you ever carry a C9 ? C6 ? At that height, sorry I don't buy it.

Also you are comparing HK barrels to PWS. Are you selling PWS? I'm not a dealer but PWS is not comparable to HK, sorry I just don't believe it.
 
My wife would prefer black all the way Im sure. Anyone know if the Ruger SR223 accepts AR parts and upgrades. FWIW I am not looking for a premium unit. If I was I would be looking at an Alberta Tactical non restricted version first off. If the SR takes AR parts I could upgrade the internals to the other specs eventually. However thanks for the feedback and I will look at these units too. And Stoner I carried a C2 back in the late 60s. They get heavy after a lot of drill practise yeah.
 
bogie said:
My wife would prefer black all the way Im sure. Anyone know if the Ruger SR223 accepts AR parts and upgrades. FWIW I am not looking for a premium unit. If I was I would be looking at an Alberta Tactical non restricted version first off. If the SR takes AR parts I could upgrade the internals to the other specs eventually. However thanks for the feedback and I will look at these units too.
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i think youre really heading in the wrong direction with that ruger, but thats just my opinion.

a short barreled 10 inch pws would really fit the bill for her. women like short barrels, keeps the weight back and not at the end of their arms, its a major complaint from my wife in all my rifles except my tavor.

http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_24_393&products_id=1635

they are out of stock so not sure where you could get one, but its one serious rifle, that will last her a very long time.
 
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