Fireclean= Crisco.

adriel said:
Vuurwapen is now pointing out that the Vickers video showed them using different rounds when comparing how much smoke comes out for different lubes: http://www.vuurwapenblog.c om/general-opinion/lies-errors-and-omissions/where-theres-smoke-theres-liar/

Not that the amount of smoke coming out should count for ####, but that's the claim. He's either right or he's going to get sued into oblivion.
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I don't have a dog in this fight but Vuurwapen has a point that if you're going to create a demonstration illustrating the alleged properties of FireClean then you keep as many variables the same as possible...and changing the ammunition between tests without explicitly stating that to the audience absolutely reeks of duplicity and an attempt to rig the demonstration.
 
TV-PressPass said:
I'd be very curious to hear a response from Larry V at this point. Andrew's the sort of guy who generally does his research.
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Yea, and I'm also very curious to know what Tony Stuart thinks is the best deodorant...

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"Old Spice is in use by U.S. Tier One SOF with excellent results - it's performance in fully unshaven armpits and on dates with your hot cousin is without peer; the best I have ever seen or heard of. The fact some internet blogger 'experts' recommended against cousin dating is laughable given its actual performance in the back of a Stuckies bathroom has been superb. Take those recommendations with a grain of salt and consider the source. As per usual."
 
D 23 said:
Yea, and I'm also very curious to know what Tony Stuart thinks is the best deodorant...

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"Old Spice is in use by U.S. Tier One SOF with excellent results - it's performance in fully unshaven armpits and on dates with your hot cousin is without peer; the best I have ever seen or heard of. The fact some internet blogger 'experts' recommended against cousin dating is laughable given its actual performance in the back of a Stuckies bathroom has been superb. Take those recommendations with a grain of salt and consider the source. As per usual."
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:rockOn:
 
so we have 2 you tubers basically saying the opposite, one tough ex army special forces guy who huffs and puffs a whole lot.
one ex navy & ex marine medic who fought in fallujah for 11 months and got a bachelors degree from u of Arizona and generally puts videos without much glitz and fanfare concentrating more on facts and science. Who actually did a spectroanalysis of the product instead of huffing and puffing.
Gee I wonder who I'm leaning towards...

At this point would I use it? no way!

Should others use it? what the fack do I care! I can lend you my spare AR if we're on a course together and yours facks up due to fireclean.
 
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Stoner99 said:
That article is suspect, especially on the chart. Not sure if I would trust Vurrvapenblog especially considering some of his more obvious articles that we're basically deliberate product bashing.
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Where are you getting this from. Andrew is pretty level headed, thorough and fair in his writing. I have never seen anything to suggest otherwise, this included.

GunsNotPuns said:
I don't have a dog in this fight but Vuurwapen has a point that if you're going to create a demonstration illustrating the alleged properties of FireClean then you keep as many variables the same as possible...and changing the ammunition between tests without explicitly stating that to the audience absolutely reeks of duplicity and an attempt to rig the demonstration.
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Exactly.

TV-PressPass said:
I'd be very curious to hear a response from Larry V at this point. Andrew's the sort of guy who generally does his research.
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Agreed.
 
Benito said:
Where are you getting this from. Andrew is pretty level headed, thorough and fair in his writing. I have never seen anything to suggest otherwise, this included.



Exactly.



Agreed.
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You are confused here.

Everyone knew it was BIO based guys, so obviously it was going to have the same properties as other BIO based products.

The only person here to get it is Hilo. It's expensive for what it costs in my opinion. That being said it works well. Hey if you can get the exact same ingredients then make it your self. It ain't snake oil if it works the question is weather you are willing to pay the price for it and is the performance of the product as advertised.

I prefer to use products that limit my exposure to chemical or toxins that will effect my health personally.

As for Vuurwapen Yes he was a medic in falluja, good for him. He has the money and ability to make quality videos but he did not complete his own scientific process in this. The different Corbon ammo used is interesting though. He has also written a few articles that were embarrassing and fraudulent and he did it deliberately, very smart and effectively.

An independent test of weather it works properly or not and meets the hype is more important rather than what it is made of in regards to the products ingredients.

The ingredients should never have been a surprise here to anyone. Personally I'm sticking to froglube for now.
 
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Speaking for the last 4 months we have been using Fireclean on several work carbines in 5.56 & 7.62 with Surefire suppressors, the observations are personal without any scientific evidence or training / the guns ran smoother longer between cleaning cycles, they became dedicated suppressed platforms that utilized barrel lengths in 10.5/ 14.5/16.1/18 inches, muzzle brakes & flash hider & bolt carriers coated generously to assist in clean up of carbon, clean up time greatly reduced as well as overall enjoyment.

gadget
 
Stoner99 said:
Well I'm not going to just through it out, it works well. What's your problem with it exactly and have you used it ?
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i personally havent had good experience with frog lube, it "gunked" up my ar15, and it wasnt from shooting a high volume or in specific states (ie supressed) like gadget, so i assume it was oxidation. of course, fans of froglube will point my inability to properly clean my firearm to make it void of all non-organic compounds prior to using the frog lube.
 
Stoner99 said:
Well I'm not going to just through it out, it works well. What's your problem with it exactly and have you used it ?
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Olefin paste wax? No, I haven't used that on my guns, any more than I have creosote, saliva, or olive oil. It's a poor lubricant for a lot of reasons, although if you apply it frequently enough and don't ask much of your guns, it's probably not much worse than using wd40.
 
I had that problem too briefly, when I bought the product originally the instruction from the seller were just "try it man put in your AR"...lol G2G...hahahha I asked if there was any problem with having other oils already been used and he said "nope, just start using it"...hahaha

But yeah when degreasing your AR you have to do it several times in my opinion and then keep checking at 30 days intervals and wipe down add re-apply FL to all other oils are non-existent and then you are good to go. Where I had a problem was it reacted inside my Bolt from some fragments of either Break Free clp or Gun grease were still prevalent.
 
Hilo71 said:
Off the shelf "Crisco"? No.
A simple blend of CHEAP vegetable oils? Yes.
Ridiculously OVERPRICED? hmmmmmmm......
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I didn't know you are a master chemist, please do tell me more about this simple blend. What are the main ingredients in it?

We are in canada. Everything gun related is overpriced here.
 
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