Precision rifle builders in Canada

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Other then PGW and Cadex are there any renowned smiths doing complete rifle systems that perform here in Canada?, I am going to start building rifles in New Brunswick after I get out of university and would like to open shop with not only the best of components but a .25moa guarentee. As far as I know the only shop in the world that offers that guarentee is a Tac Ops rifle built by Mike Rescigno in California as I had the pleasure of owning one in the past. Unlike cadex and PGW these will be a series of rifles in either AI chassis, or McMillan stocks . They will feature bartlein barrels surgeon actions etc.. And will be guaranteed at .25 moa with a test target using FGMM ammunition.my question is is there a market for this type of accuracy & modularity in tactical rifle systems in Canada? These will not be built to order they will be in stock in a series of configuration which can hopefully fulfill all tastes and needs of the serious marksmen. All will have nvg rail for nvg capabilities.
Bastos Defense Solutions will be offering the following:

Mk-mod-0 in Mcm HTG
Ml-mod-1 in Mcm a4-a5
Ml-mod-2 in aiax
Ml-mod-3 magnum calibers
So far my components list is this
Surgeon repeater actions
Aiax chassis
McMillan stocks
Badger dbm
Bartlein barrels and proof research
Timney or Jewell triggers
AI magazines
Pelican cases
These will be turn key rifles, add optics and your a go.
Chambered in one of 6 calipers .243, 6.5 creed more .260 ,, 308 300wm and 338lapua


At this point this is the dream, but as we move into the new year we get closer to making this a reality so I'm throwing out a feeler. At this point I expect to open shop 3rd quarter 2016
Prices will range but expect these to go for roughly 7- 10k depending on configuration.
Thanks
Felipe
 
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I will be in a state of the art shop, and I'm learning from a state of the art mentor. Time will tell.
 
I'm not guaranteeing they will make others shoot 1/4 moa..lol all I know for sure is My Tac ops came with a 1/10 moa test target and my best group was 1/18 moa.. So I know I got the hands, question is can I smith the rifle
 
Assuming the rifle system includes proof research barrel, surgeon action, fully loaded stock AAC muzzle break, atlas bipod nvg attachment and tab sling were at around $6000CAD in parts alone
 
I don't think you'd be able to stick in the price range you mentioned. You'd need to charge more. 1/4 moa guns are easy enough to build, every savage ever sold on the ee shoots 1/4 "If they do their part".

With no offense intended, Its hard to take you seriously at this point, you sounds like a kid who wants to be an astronaut. You are still a rifle building student and in a year we are to believe you will offer rifles in a class only guaranteed by one other company in the world (I'm sure their are many who can consistently build them but don't have an advertised guarantee).

If you build em their are tons of people who will feel the need to buy a rifle with a guarantee, even though they will never shoot that well anyway. But dropping that type of coin will require a some street cred before the orders fly in in. If you are partnering up with a well known smith, as you alluded to having a renowned mentor, then perhaps you can ride the coattails of their reputation. Another big problem with your guarantee is all the guns that are "broken" cause the owner isn't getting 1/4 moa from it; sounds like customer service nightmare.

Do you have any of your work you can post pics, specs and performance of now? Always like to drool over gun #### lol.
 
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Nothing as of now, solely the plan, or idea of starting this business. But I have a solid business plan in place and the funds to back it. As of now I am in the observing process of learning. Just starting to get my hands dirty but as soon as there greasy I'll post a thread and pics. Thanks
 
And I said there is only one company offering guarantees of 1/4 moa. There are plenty companies in the USA building 1/4moa guns though, gap, sac, apa, Lri, Tac ops etc all come to mind, now I haven't heard of someone doing it in Canada which is where Bastos Defence Solutions comes in.
 
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And I said there is only one company offering guarantees of 1/4 moa. There are plenty companies in the USA building 1/4moa guns though, gap, sac, apa, Lri, Tac ops etc all come to mind, now I haven't heard of someone doing it in Canada which is where Bastos Defence Solutions comes in.
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Yes...edited to reflect that fact.

Proof is in the pudding right? Start building and posting. If you have deep pockets to back you up that's half the battle lol.

Good luck, looking forward to watching your progress!!
 
I tip my hat to you on your entrepreneurship attitude, however permit me to ask the following:

- What is your gunsmithing experience to date?

- If you have none ^ , what is your mechanical experience to date on the various equipment used in a shop?

- You mention that you already have a TacOps rifle, which you've shot 1/18 MOA. I'm going to assume that you meant to say 1/8 MOA, which even then would be a feat of shooting capabilities only few can dream of.

i. Can you show us the said rifle and the said target of 1/18 (or 1/8 MOA)?
ii. Can you back up that claim w/ proof, perhaps from another shooter there that day that may be on the board as well?

- You mention that you are currently in university and that you will have the funds to back up your new business plan. I'm sure you do (as someone had to pay for that $8k TacOp rifle while you were studying full time), but you do realize that you are going to have to invest a wee bit more than just $10k...

- Have you factored in all of the overhead cost of running a shop? Such things as utility bills, full inventory, liability insurance, etc.

To me you sound like a kid with limitless trust fund money pit of money with a an absolutely unreachable dream of being something that would normally require years and years to acquire the skills, knowledge, experience and as importantly, the reputation you'll need before thinking of charging $10k per rifle.

Other than those small details..
 
I appreciate the input. If you post an email I can email you pictures to post of the Tac Ops rifle I used to own, as well as a picture of a three shot group at .055moa. Yeah that's 1/18moa. Also got Pics of the AiAE I had for a while. Sold both rifles and my night force about 4 years ago and got out of shooting for a while. Now I'm coming back to the sport full force. As to where my money comes from you have no need to know and I'm not going to stoop to the level of trust fund comments, anyway I agree with you on some points, as the reputation factor.. But I plan on having firearm bloggers run the rifles when there ready and give out reviews, hopefully building some cred.
 
You can post these up for everyone to see.

Use Photobucket (or the likes) to host your pictures.

If your feelings have already been hurt by me asking, or pointing out, where you'll be getting hundred of thousands of dollars to build 1/4 MOA rifles, then I most certainly bid you GOOD LUCK !!!!!

I have a feeling this will be an epic thread of proportion not seen since a certain Nemesis made its debut on CGN.
 
There's always gonna be a trolling cyber warrior isn't there.. Anyway have a good day gents. I have nothing to prove. This thread was to present an idea, and when it manifests it'll be updated. Thanks for your time
 
The 1/4 moa Sample target Tac-ops sends a 3 shot or 5 shot? If I was going to drop that kind of money I would want a set of targets with 1/4 moa groups.
OP the picture you posted is that a 3 or a 5 shot group and was that off a bipod or rest? It is much easier to shoot 1/4 moa groups off a rest. I know of many guns that could do this that cost well under 6000.
Look at the Chou brothers for insperation,they started building rifles only a few years ago and make some of the best in the country. If you learn and surround your self with the best you will become one of the best.
Good luck
Ryan
 
Very interesting thread, there seems to be a lot of shooters who think 1/4moa is easily achieved but in reality it isn't as easy as some would like to believe, try shooting 6 5 shot groups of 1/4 moa or less @ 100 on the same piece of paper , very few can accomplish this.
Shooting a 1/4 moa 3 shot group is not uncommon but that doesn't mean your rifle is a 1/4 minute gun, bench guns in 6ppc will probably be the tightest grouping guns for 100 and 200yds and I,m sure a lot of BR shooters could pull it off .

Building tactical guns in another chambering other than the very popular 6ppc [ which is what has been wining SR BR for years ]with something else might not shoot 1/4 moa as easily as one might think.
We shoot a lot of f-class and used to shoot some SR BR and I can say that my long range guns will sometimes shoot 1/4moa @ 100 but they are designed to shoot at long range so are tuned that way.

I don't buy in to these companies offering 1/4moa guns because if they sell you a gun and show you a 1/4 moa 3 shot target if the gun is truely 1/4 MOA then there should be no problem shooting a 20 shot group of that size.

OP you certainly have a lot to learn and test before you can start selling guns that will shoot 1/4 moa and I hope it works out for you but don't forget that the best gun in the world won't shoot if whoever buying it doesn't know how to load it.
 
Good for you for wanting to build something from the ground up. But just out of curiousity, couldn't I buy my own surgeon or panda action and bartlein barrel and have anyone of the excellent smiths we have in this country assemble it for less than $6000? I haven't priced out these actions in a while but I still think there is lots of meat left on the bone to get to 6 grand which was your starting point up to 10 grand. Unless you are talking including optics, range finder and a shooting course.
 
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