Not enough "clicks". Again...

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Took my .223 out to the farm today to try some actual long range shooting. I've been playing at three and four hundred yards with half to three quarters moa being about the norm.
It's a REM 700 VTR, 223 with 1-9 twist. I have a 20 minute rail under a Bushnell Tactical Elite 4.5-30x50.

I used the strelock app on my phone and it said 202 clicks uo to get to a 1000 yard zero. I ran out of clicks at 128. This put me about ten feet low. According to the app I can get to an 800 yard zero but that's about it.

The load I'm using is a 69 grain Sierra at 2800 fps.

I didn't have time today to setup any targets closer. How can I get this to go to 1000? Do I need a 40 minute base? I know I can push the bullets a bit faster, but I seem to have hit on good accuracy at close range with this. Not sure the extra 200 fps I could get would help enough at that range.

What are other guys using to get their 223's to 1000?
 
To save us some time and to better help you, what elevation adjustment does this scope have, and what are the intervals for "clicks". (generally 1/2 to 1/4 MOA)

In the future, stop thinking clicks, and start thinking drop in MOA.
 
It has 1/4 minute clicks. As far as the total adjustment range in not entirely sure.
Thanks for the advice on thinking in clicks versus drop in moa. That makes more sense the farther out you get.
 
A 20MOA rail gets you ~200" at 1000yds, so about 16.66feet. Yes, you need that.

Where did you get and XRS with 1/4" MOA clicks?

-J.
 
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Sorry, missed that....

How many MOA does Strelok say your drop is?? 202 clicks should mean about 50MOA.

128 clicks with 1/4" clicks is 32MOA. The Bushnell website says you should have 35MOA of adjustment - so 140 clicks.

202 clicks is about 50MOA, so 35MOA + your 20MOA base should get you there, but not by much.

-J.
 
Sorry, missed that....

How many MOA does Strelok say your drop is?? 202 clicks should mean about 50MOA.

128 clicks with 1/4" clicks is 32MOA. The Bushnell website says you should have 35MOA of adjustment - so 140 clicks.

202 clicks is about 50MOA, so 35MOA + your 20MOA base should get you there, but not by much.

-J.

I knew some one would ask so I took a screen shot.



And yeah. I thought I should be there too. Or at least a lot closer.
35 mins in the scope, plus 20 from the base is 55. Unless there is another reason.
Is that 35 in the scope from center, or total? If it's total, that would be about 17 minutes up, and 17 down...
 
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Does your scope have a mil reticle? If it does, use the reticle to get the extra elev ontop of your maxed out turret.
 
Does your scope have a mil reticle? If it does, use the reticle to get the extra elev ontop of your maxed out turret.

It does have a mil reticle, but the "dust ball" I could see was about half way between the bottom of the scope and the top of the thick part of the cross hair. So no effective, or repeatable aiming point.

Sounds like a 40 minute base is in my future...
 
I find it tough to believe that with a 20MOA base, you can't get on target at 1000 yards? I had a similar setup (on a different brand of rifle, which isn't relevant). Forgive me these simple questions:

Are you certain of the distance to your target?

Are you certain of the MV of your ammo?

Do your come-ups seem to work at closer distances from 5-700y with this setup?

Is there even a remote possibility that your base is installed backwards?
 
You do have a MOA turret and MOA reticle, correct? Above it sounds like you confirmed MOA reticles and mil reticle.

In either event, if you have 32 MOA internal elevation that is complete range. So roughly zero'd you would only have 17 MOA. The rail nets you another 20, so 37 MOA. Thats near the 128 clicks you spoke of earlier. You are maxing your scope out. To gain more you can use hold over if you can.

Sounds like you may want to consider a new scope. 32 is not very much. Many long range scopes have 75-120.

Good luck.
 
Silverado.
The range was a close estimate. But would have been within 25 yards. While I do not have a chronograph, my come ups have always been bang on from 100 to 500 yards. That leads me to believe my velocity is pretty close. And I am sure the base is on right. The thick end to the back.

Shibby.
I'd love to just go buy a night force or something at that level. I just can afford that kind of thing...
 
Okay. Here's all the info...
Scope is a Bushnell Tactical Elite 4.5-30x50 (part # ET 4305) in Burris tactical QR rings on a Weaver 20 moa base.
Load is a 69 grain Smk over 22.5 grains of Hogdon Benchmark and a rem 7 ½ benchrest primer.

Rifle is a Remington 700 VTR in an HS precision stock.

I was shooting off a solid table and sand bags.

If there is any relevant information I'm missing, please let me know.
 
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20 moa rail and 80 grain berger vld's at 2850.

Given the 9" twist barrel he's got, I imagine stabilization would be a problem with that big pill. I can 'just' manage a 77gr Sierra TMK in my 9" twist Remington with a stability factor (Sg) of 1.387 - Sg is good above 1.4. The VLD's are longer (1.11" vs 0.994") & heavier which would make them really tough to stabilize with that twist rate (Sg of 1.045 @ 2800fps - and it gets worse with lower muzzle velocities).
 
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