IMO M38-M44 even over SKS everybody needs one!

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Figured i would bring back this thread since i decided to put the m44 stock in my car to bleed out the cosmo. It was too hot so the shelac bubbled. That prompted me to strip it with circa 1850 then stain it with minwax gunstock which is very red then finish it with circa danish furniture oil which requires a long dry time. Ive updated the pic. Quite a process to finish the arctic beech wood for sure!

Still have to say M44 way over SKS!!!!!!


First off when it comes down to it I'm fairly new with red rifles, And don't own many other center fires either.
I've had two SKS over the last five years and sold them both last year. It came down to me wanting a side-by-side shotgun and I already fired a crate and got kind of bored of them. I also got to shoot my friends Mosin-Nagant 91/30 and liked it too.

I made a trade to a member here a couple months ago for a late production re-furb M 38 and I have to say it's the most enjoyable rifle ive ever shot. Mind you recoils like a shotgun but with a good artillery hold it's very manageable.

On firing it produces from the muzzle a 2 foot airspace and then a 5 foot fireball. With non-corrosive ammo I get inside the black at 50 yards but I've only shot it on a few outings. Using corrosive it fires 10 inches high at 50 yards. I find non-corrosive cheap enough for the amount you want to shoot it and enjoy yourself.

As for cleaning I took it to the range two weeks ago and fired 50 corrosive rounds. The only cleaning I preformed Was to run several swabs down the barrel with Windex, I then gave it another swab at home let it dry and then stored it with a good layer of penetrating film oil. It's still corrosion free, part of the reason I moved my SKS was the cleaning. The M38 is a very well-built, light and extremely enjoyable Firebreathing dragon of a rifle I'm not really doing a comparison with the SKS it's just in my opinion the best red rifle.(without bayoet and long barrel it's actually the same size as the SKS and lighter) Yes I'm sure the SVT is great in it's own merits but for a simple rifle this is to me is king of all plinkers and may have shot a few nazis to boot.


EDIT: On Mar 17-2016 I swapped the M38 for a 1948 M44 with a refub stock, all the fun except a little heavier with a pig sticker. I also picked up a case of corrosive ammo from Tradex which is all i shoot now. My cleaning regiment has also changed, i get home put on the kettle with a steel bowl. Place the muzzle in the bowl with the bolt and pour water through the barrel from the chamber. I added a tube to a funnel to not slop the water around. I then run patches and hit the bolt and barrel with penetrating oil and then into storage. I use SP3 which used to be called Gibbs from the USA wonderful stuff.


The M44 still makes fireballs but is actually pleasant to shoot with the extra weight of the bayonet. Think i might put some marshmallows on there next time im out.
 
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My old, beaten, rusted non refurb M44 is dead accurate with the bayo extended.
One of my two M38s is a lazer too.
 
I had a Polish #11 44 that wouldn't shoot and have a 38 now that I haven't had time to play with...An artillery hold is when the gun is held loosely allowing it to recoil for springer air rifles in particular .This is likely why it's kicking the snot out of you....Harold
 
Nice, and the many gun owners wonder why the effort is a lost cause

I don't really see the problem with that statement. The rifle in question may well have seen wartime service. I have a 1943 vintage Mosin Nagant 91/30 and a 1942 vintage Savage made (Lend Lease) Lee Enfield No4 Mk 1 both of which likely saw military service and for all I know either one could have been used to take enemy lives. No real way of knowing for sure.
 
Nice carbine, keep in mind to also clean the bolt head, pay special attention to the extractor as corrosion can set behind the extractor and rust your extractor in place which will give you extracting problems.
 
Great looking! I may need to get a carbine. I like shooting my Mosin but the kick is just too jarring for an older guy like me to shoot more than
twenty rounds per session. I actually enjoy taking apart the SKS, I wish everything was so simple and easy and neat.
 
Got mine 2 years ago. Never shot it. Tried my buddy's M44 and decided I was too wimpy to shoot the 38 and sold it.
I shoot 30-06, .308 and 7mm but with the metal buttplate, I call uncle with the x54R!

I do think the carbine Mosins look waaay better than the 91/30s though.
 
I guess i should follow up, i also put the bolt and magazine housing in a bowl of boiling water too then lubed it afterwards. I was sort of doing an experiment with corrosive to see how little cleaning i could get away with. The lube i use is called SP3 which used to be called Gibbs.
Also the main reason i have the m38 is because its a thumper and gives me a lot of satisfaction at the range which i assume many of you gleaned from my OP.

I bought the sks with the same idea. Although after a shooting session with several friends i ended the day with a bbq at my place.
They were all eating, drinking and carrying on while i sat on the sidelines with the sks, a pail, and a kettle of boiling water cleaning up. That day i decided yeah its super fun but i could move it.......lol.

As for the hold when standing with it i do hold fairly loosely and let the movement of my body take the recoil, i do shoot springers a lot.

I figured i would make this write up to get others interested in this rifle if they don't have one.
 
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I guess i should follow up, i also put the bolt and magazine housing in a bowl of boiling water too then lubed it afterwards. I was sort of doing an experiment with corrosive to see how little cleaning i could get away with. The lube i use is called SP3 which used to be called Gibbs.
Also the main reason i have the m38 is because its a thumper and gives me a lot of satisfaction at the range which i assume many of you gleaned from my OP.

I bought the sks with the same idea. Although after a shooting session with several friends i ended the day with a bbq at my place.
They were all eating, drinking and carrying on while i sat on the sidelines with the sks, a pail, and a kettle of boiling water cleaning up. That day i decided yeah its super fun but i could move it.......lol.

As for the hold when standing with it i do hold fairly loosely and let the movement of my body take the recoil, i do shoot springers a lot.

I figured i would make this write up to get others interested in this rifle if they don't have one.
You should be able to strip and clean an SKS as fast as a Mosin. Buy the time you remove the 2 x Mosin screws, disassemble the bolt and remove the barrels bands, it should be equal in time to stripping an SKS. It is for me at least.

My next gun will be a mosin. Are the m38's hard to come by?
From retailers, yeah a little tough. Used, they're out there.
 
Don't have an M38 but do have an M44. I'd take the M44 over the SKS any day but that's not to say I don't love the SKS.

Robert, the M38 shoots the x54 so you're gonna still be getting the same kick and more shooting the same cartridge from a lighter shorter rifle.
 
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